Young Nudists Bashing & Bullying Online

| March 21, 2015 | 29 Comments

Our Response To Young Nudists Bullying & Bashing Online

We’re all familiar with Facebook and if you have been on the site for a while, you probably have seen some pretty nasty interactions. Nudists on social networks tend to be more aggressive than most other groups (from my personal experience). It is no secret that Facebook is a also breeding ground for bullies…. And bullies are people I can’t tolerate!

A little note about Facebook groups for those who may not be aware:

There are three main types of Facebook groups: Open, closed and secret.

The “open” groups are groups where anyone can see the posts and its members even if they are not part of the group themselves. Open groups can be found via search and are easy to discover.

As for “closed” groups – YNA has one of the largest and most active nudist / naturist Facebook groups. That group has over 7,000 people in it and it is a “closed” group. Closed groups are groups where people can’t see the posts, but they can see who is in it. This type of group can also be found via search and are easy to discover.

In “secret” groups, only members can see the group itself and the posts. It’s invisible to everyone else and cannot be found in searches. You can only join if another group member or admin adds you to it. The benefit of secret groups is the fact that nothing will pop up on anyone’s timeline.

YNA has a few secret groups, for example:

1 – Women Only – We created this group just for women as a safe place to discuss gender-related or other important issues.

2 – Men Only – Same as the women only group, we created this group just for men to talk about issues that they feel more comfortable talking about among other men.

We briefly review every person who requests to join our “closed” group. Since we get hundreds of requests to join every week, sometimes people can get in that don’t belong. But that is the world we live in. We deal with these people on a case by case basis and will not hesitate to kick someone out if they don’t behave appropriately and respectfully.

We have countless people who help us with the overwhelming amount of management that is needed to maintain a happy and positive group.

But still there is the unavoidable drama. In general, people are very opinionated and vocal online. Far more than in person. They are also quick to judge and even quicker to shame and bully. It is like the Wild West. They hide behind computer screens and act like they are gods but for the most part, when you meet these people face to face, they fold and show their true colors.

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Recently, I personally have been a hot topic of discussion in a number of Facebook groups. On those threads, I have been accused of everything from reporting pictures of other nudists, to friend-requesting too many people, to promoting pornography and at some point I was blamed for endangering the future of naturism.

Full disclosure – Yes, I do click on friend recommendations that Facebook offers me (though I have not been active in the past couple of weeks). I personally get friend requests daily – more than I can even review. So when people say that I am a horrible person for friend requesting people I might not have met, all I have to say is – grow up. I also have no way of knowing if I’ve previously sent someone a friend request so if you are worried about clicking that button to deny my request again, you can simply block me and never have to see a single thing I post ever again. You can also easily just deny the request – I honestly don’t get the drama surrounding this issue. It is one click and that’s it. It seems like this is only a “big issue” because certain people are actively looking for any reason to discredit me / YNA.

The issue that I have is that some nudists out there are just downright mean. For example… a girl posted that I reported her pictures to Facebook which caused them to be removed. I have no idea why someone would say such a thing since we have been one of the most vocal people fighting against Facebook censorship. For the record, we think reporting other naturists’ photos is a despicable act and we honestly don’t have the time or energy to even think along those lines. The girl spreading the rumors never reached out to me directly to ask me about it. When I found out what she was saying and contacted her, she did not even have the common decency to reply to my message.

This sort of behavior is just juvenile. Gossiping, pointing fingers, stirring the pot and then hiding. Yesterday, someone really lashed out at Felicity – cursing at her and calling her names. Needless to say, that person was removed from the group.

People need to understand just how many things we have to deal with every single day. Especially when it comes to behavior issues. Since we have to protect the people in our groups, we take swift and harsh action. So far, I have to say that the interaction in our groups is wonderful. People are really using it as place to connect and discuss personal and societal issues.

Another fact that people choose to ignore is that it is OUR group. We created it and devote hours to maintaining it. If you don’t like us or our group then you can simply leave – it is that easy. No drama needed.

I think the reason why some people have a negative view of us is the fact that we act. We will jump in if someone is misbehaving. We don’t just sit back and let things happen. You won’t see a long thread dedicated to bashing someone in our groups. You won’t see ego-driven agendas. You won’t see many of the things that other groups may let slide. Our actions are indicative of our morals and ethics and since we are vocal, people tend to see us as confrontational.

The sad part is that most people will not stand up and say something. As in the case mentioned above – anyone who knows me would know that I am not in habit of trolling Facebook looking for pictures to report. But yet, most will not utter a word when they see a post about it. Those who remain silent are just as bad as those who created the drama in the first place.

Some people are afraid that they will not be able to go to a party because they stood up for what’s right. In such cases, I have to ask – is going to a party worth throwing away common decency? Why would you even want to support a group that bullies others? It just does not make sense. We as human beings need to rise above such petty and self-serving behavior. If you see something – say something!

In essence, the good people will remain quiet while the bullies of the world go about bashing people. This needs to stop. People need to grow up and leave High School behind. These constant attacks by “fellow” naturists on YNA, Felicity and myself need to stop.

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The image above is a great example of the type of correspondences that I loathe. This was a private message to me on Twitter. As you can see, the individual has already made up their minds about YNA and couldn’t be bothered to ask me or us about anything before sending me that note. They also unfollowed me (I guess out of protest) so I have no way of replying back via private message. This bash-and-run behavior is at the core of the communication issues that many online are forced to deal with. On a positive note, at least they did not post it publicly which is the minimum I could ask for.

We have not responded to the many attacks thrust upon us recently. Mostly because there is no truth in what they say. If you have seen such posts and want clarification, then just ask us directly. Also, sadly, most of the accusers have never met us nor have they attended any of our gatherings or events. Don’t trust what you hear – find out for yourself.

If you have a problem with me, let me know. I am human, I make mistakes. If I am in the wrong, I will be the first to admit it. But don’t go around trying to tarnish my reputation or hurt me by spreading lies. I have not done anything, knowingly, to hurt anyone. I expect the same type of respect in return.

We can also agree to disagree – nothing wrong with having different opinions.

Now that I have vented, I just want to ask people to be a little less mean and judgmental, and a little more compassionate. I also want to urge people to stand up for what they feel is right. Hell, both Felicity and I got arrested for standing up for what we believe in and while the experience was not enjoyable, it was the right thing to do and we are better for it.

Also, let this serve as a warning to all those who wish to be part of our group. If you have issues, do NOT post them publicly. That may end up getting you booted. Always be direct and reach out via email or private message.

We are working our asses off for a better tomorrow – please stop trying to damage our efforts. For the most part, those “fellow” nudists who would love to see us close down are the same people who directly or indirectly reap the most benefit from the work we do.

In closing, I would just like to address one last issue – our support of the Young Naturist Gathering at Sunsport Gardens in Florida as this has been a source of hate-driven rants.

For those who may not know, Sunsport Gardens has been hosting the young naturist bashes from the beginning. Their events have been taking place on the same dates for the last few years. This year, a few days after they announced their 7th annual gathering of young naturists, they found out (through Facebook of all places) that the group Florida Young Naturists, who have been mainly organizing those events, had decided to hold their event during the same weekend at a different nudist location.

This is why Sunsport Gardens reached out to us to help support the event and get the word out. No one as of yet from the FYN group has been able to explain to me why Young Naturists America should not be supporting the efforts put forth by Sunsport Gardens.

While it may irk some, for whatever reason, we will not alter or change our position. Sunsport Gardens has been the home and birth place of many naturists and their dedication to naturist values is unwavering.

There is absolutely no reason why this beautiful, warm, inviting and safe community, filled with wonderful families, should not continue to receive support from value driven groups and organizations such as YNA.

To all those who seek to bash us for helping out a great naturist resort, you should be ashamed of yourselves! FYN never even asked us to help or get involved and therefore, as I see it, they have absolutely no justification for their relentless bullying.

For the record, I don’t hate FYN and I actually wish them much luck and success. I hope they do well and stick to the ideology that is shared by many naturists worldwide. That said, the bashing that has been directed at me personally, for YNA’s support of Sunsport Gardens, has been out of line. It is upsetting to even have to be dealing with such issues when, in theory, we should all be on the same team and supporting one another.

So what do you think? Please feel free to share your thoughts and opinions with regards to Facebook, public interactions (vs private ones), gossiping and taking a stand.

Correction: Sunsport Gardens and FYN announced their events within a few days of each other, and it’s been brought to our attention that it was FYN’s announcement that came first, followed by Sunsport 3 days later. However…it also doesn’t really matter. What matters is that all this drama with conflicting dates could’ve easily been avoided with some simple communication. Here is Morley Schloss’ comment on the matter:

“The dates when the Spring events for young naturists first appeared on Facebook this year are irrelevant. Sunsport has hosted events for young adults on the second weekends in April, August, and December ever year for some time. This is the seventh consecutive year for a young adult weekend at Sunsport on the second weekend in April. The dates have been published in Naturist Society and AANR publications and on Sunsport’s website for years and were distributed in writing at the Young Naturist Summit in Florida over a year ago. The person who set the dates for the Spring Bash at Sunny Sands was well aware of the dates of Sunsport’s Fests (and helped produce some of them) but chose to schedule his event at the same time. If he had any question about Sunsport scheduling the Spring Fest this year, he could easily have made a phone call. In the future, I would hope that people scheduling events for young adults would avoid conflicting dates so that young adult naturists are able to join in a variety of events.”

Young Naturists & Nudists America

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Jordan Blum is a lifelong nudie and co-founder of Young Naturists America.
  • eversharp

    Great article Jordan!

  • NudaSol   It would then appear we got mixed up on that fact, but…it also doesn’t really matter. The fact of the matter is, all this drama could’ve been avoided with some simple communication. We’ll let Morley answer to this one, here is his response:
    “The dates when the Spring events for young naturists first appeared on Facebook this year are irrelevant.  Sunsport has hosted events for young adults on the second weekends in April, August, and December ever year for some time.  This is the seventh consecutive year for a young adult weekend at Sunsport on the second weekend in April.  The dates have been published in Naturist Society and AANR publications and on Sunsport’s website for years and were distributed in writing at the Young Naturist Summit in Florida over a year ago. The person who set the dates for the Spring Bash at Sunny Sands was well aware of the dates of Sunsport’s Fests (and helped produce some of them) but chose to schedule his event at the same time.  If he had any question about Sunsport scheduling the Spring Fest this year, he could easily have made a phone call.  In the future, I would hope that people scheduling events for young adults would avoid conflicting dates so that young adult naturists are able to join in a variety of events.”

  • skidder86

    I agree about spending too much time on internet. It is so addicting. My wife keeps getting after me about it. As far as bullying, they wouldnt see you online as much. But when you log on their messages would still be waiting for you.

  • frebeach

    Enjoyed your missive about the joys of being on the internet. I have several groups but have no problems probably because I’m the biggest bully. No one wants to challenge me. I like a good discussion with the emphasis on discussion. Seriously, is it that Canadians are so polite? Some are not so there are exceptions. So far so good. I remember one gal. I had sent out unsolicited educational messages at one time, and I hear every swear word under the sun. She was American in Florida. I’m sure most Americans are great people and they are, so people are entitled to their own opinion but so am I entitled to my opinion and Jordan knows I don’t mind giving out those opinions, which I try to base on naturist concepts, themes, etiquettes and self rules. I’m with Jordan, Don’t tolerate trollers, bullies but I do tolerate differences of opinion.I like to listen to what people have to say before I reply. It’s all good here.

    Dave in Toronto.

  • BillSchroer Thank you!!

  • BillSchroer

    FelicityJones j238 A certain amount of sniping comes with the territory of any visible position…even in the private sector.  Most of that can be overlooked…and taking the high road of ignoring the ankle-biters is best.  There are times however, when the issue or the aggressiveness of the attack require a response. I feel you and Jordan have a pretty good handle on that…and as you say, now its time to move on….Keep up the great work!

  • j238 We really, really try to just ignore ridiculous rumors and bullying but sometimes things get to be so blown up that we have to address it publicly. This was one of those times. Hopefully we can quickly put all this negativity behind us.

  • j238

    Every now & then I run into misguided people via social media as well as the real world.  Not at all surprising, of course. 
    I try not to discuss those moments with other people.  No need to spread the negativity.

  • skidder86 Livefyre log-in and our website log-in are two separate things.. Livefyre is just for blog / article comments and the website log-in is for using our forum.

  • skidder86

    I just joined YNA and have found no way to sign in. I signed in here to livefyre but does that include the whole site.

  • NudaSol This is an old page we created way back when two people volunteered to organize YNA events in Florida. Unfortunately they rather quickly flaked out and dropped the ball, and they’ve openly admitted that. A few times we’ve had people say they want to do chapters and then they realize it’s much harder than they thought or too time-consuming. This is all explained in the “chapter” section of our website, which states that we only have active chapters in southern California and upstate NY. https://youngnaturistsamerica.com/about/young-naturists-nudists-america-chapters/ 
    We’d updated many of our dead chapter pages to state how they’re no longer active, but it was neglect on our part in not updating that page. It’s now been updated. We had no idea it was popping up so high in Google, which is odd because the FYN site has been around a lot longer and we haven’t been linking to or promoting that page whatsoever. Once you’re on our website you can only find it if you search for it.
    In any case, it’s pretty clear we’re not doing anything in Florida right now aside from helping Sunsport to promote their upcoming event.

  • IsisPhoenix

    All-Nudist.com I agree. Refining community is important. Discernment is key.

  • IsisPhoenix

    NudaSol do they have the name trademarked? Young and Naturists are generic words and it looks to me simply like good marketing, shared resources and community networking.

  • IsisPhoenix

    Listen you two – you’re famous now. This comes with the territory. If everyone loves you, you’re doing someone wrong. The game you’re playing becomes mundane, too safe. Society needs faces for public movements and the two of you are those. They also need someone to go to and unfortunately point the finger at when there is drama. I’m learning that if there’s not a cause that threatens naturism and nudism as a movement, the members can turn on each other and create mini-wars within the community. Part of it is the human need for creating drama and excitement. So welcome to the drama wheel. You’re big time community leaders for nudists and are also challenging older nudist beliefs with forward thinking and progressive discussions. You’re not playing it safe. You’re real and authentic. I hope that in some time and space of the drama you can realize that even your critics actually adore you and love that you are you and that you have taken the stand that you have so they can publicly cry against you. If not you, then who? 

    Oh and by the way – I LOVE YOU!!!!

  • BillSchroer

    BillSchroer NudaSol 
    No worries, Jordan. You and Felicity continue to do your good work.  The vast majority of viewers get this.  The malcontents will be revealed as being shallow, petty and without ideas of their own.

  • BillSchroer NudaSol Not sure is my comment posted or not so I will post it again.
    Bill – so sorry you had to see that. This is exactly the type of high school behavior we have to deal with. It is amazing how much anger and hate some people have inside. It is quite sad in many ways.
     Jordan

  • BillSchroer

    NudaSol BillSchroer What a considerate thought. What kind of person are you? You reveal yourself to be shallow and low.  You have instead of making your case, simply destroyed any credibility you might have. When open and thoughtful people look at you and YNA, which side do you think they will be on? Vindictive and personal attacks?  You do us a service and reveal yourself for the kind of person you are.

  • Jordan, I think both you and Felicity do an awesome job.  I often wonder how you have the time, but encourage you both to continue the good work.  I have not really seen the bullying and online bashing you are referencing.  

    However, In do have an opinion regarding jumping in a defending the person being offended.  On other sites in some cases I do intervene, but more than not I choose not to do so.  My experience is that these people already have their mind set and are not open to listening to reason or open discussion.  Therefore, defending the person being bashed often results in providing the bully with a soap box and an audience which results in further escalated bashing and bullying.

    Often I find that publicly stating, sorry I do not share your opinion and will ignore any further  post from you is the better way to address these bullies.  Rather than provide an audience you take it away from them.  You can’t please everyone.

    As for the support of naturism in general it has always disappointing be the inability we have to first hold a common front of accepted naturist values in society in general, rather than continuously air our differences and grievances.   I guess the textile world applies the divide and conquer and the number of beaches we have lost is an unfortunate remainder of their success.

  • robbe white

    Many people within FYN are upset that (among many other things) YNA is appearing to steal the name Florida Young Naturists, which has been around since 2009. YNA has made it so that when one googles Florida Young Naturists the top result is a link on the YNA site which says:
    “https://youngnaturistsamerica.com/young-naturists-florida-yna – If You Hear Of Young Naturists Florida make sure it the chapter of Young Naturists America - YNA.You’ve visited this page 5 times. Last visit: 3/21/15
    Can YNA explain this? Here’s the link. YNA has no active presence in Florida, so what is this all about??
    Here’s the link:
    https://youngnaturistsamerica.com/contact/young-naturists-nudists-america-chapters/florida-yna/

  • BillSchroer

    Jordan,  You and Felicity are doing great work.  You are creating an environment where people of all ages, especially young people can explore and become engaged in the world of naturism.  Frankly, I wouldn’t give the problem children that much time or attention. Either ignore them or toss them out.  I hope you both continue to stay focused on naturism as a positive and healthy philosophy of living.  All else should be sent back to the textile world….
    Cheers!
    Bill

  • Infidelis

    I’ve been a member of YNA for quite some time and I’m also in some other FB nudist groups, but I find YNA by far the most active and informative group of them all. I have made some really good friends here with whom I can chat about almost anything. It is though as being naked opens one up, so much more than when stuck in clothes. That’s why I find it so hard to understand why so many people within our movement can be so troublesome.

    Sadly, just like in any organization or club, personality issues as well as bread fights can easily erupt and I feel that other groups would envy us for our roaring success, for which you, Jordan, and Felicity can take full credit.

    My own experience is that, indeed, members of religious or political groups are hard to beat in their missionary zeal and for that very reason they are a very quarrelsome lot.
    Somehow they seem to find their way in our group.

    Maybe this is true after all…

  • Stephane Deschenes

    “Haters gonna hate” (yup, I’m quoting Taylor Swift)

    Take it as a compliment because nobody attacks people who are irrelevant.
    And yes, when people can’t find anything good enough to criticize, they make up stuff.

    I say lets invent some really interesting rumours. They’re going to happen anyway so let’s get some good ones going.  Jordan, I hear that you are planning to turn YNA into a cult so that you can get all the female members to bear your children.

  • All-Nudist.com

    NudaSol It’s apparent that, as often happens in competing enterprises, the two groups were not in contact with each other and failed to coordinate their events accordingly.  Those separate plans would have been made far in advance of public notifications without knowledge of the other’s intentions.
    This has been a problem within our community for a long time..  Competition prevents cooperation, to the loss of all of us.  Anyone who has been following the various actions and reactions between various groups is well aware that personalities and agendas often conflict.

    That’s part of our problem as nudists/naturists; we’re not very good at working together for everyone’s benefit and we all suffer for it.
    Just a little communication between groups could benefit all, but we have yet to see evidence of that.

  • All-Nudist.com

    Jordan, since YNA obviously isn’t even trying to make a positive difference in the world of social nudism, and especially since some malcontents don’t like you, you should just pack it in and leave everything to Google Search for good nudist/naturist information!  ;-)
    Easier to say than to do, but you need to just block/remove those folks, they’re nothing but trolls.  They feed on contention as it’s the only recognition they get in the miserable world they live in.  Let them go find religious or political FB Pages where that sort of worthless confrontation is not only expected, but appreciated.
    “Another fact that people choose to ignore is that it is OUR group. We created it and devote hours to maintaining it. If you don’t like us or our group then you can simply leave – it is that easy. No drama needed.”

    We get the occasional disgruntled commenter who is outraged that we post something on FB that might not be strictly nudist/naturist and our response is much the same as yours; it’s OUR Page and if you don’t like it, feel free to go away.  If they persist, they’re gone.  We accept differences of opinion, but do not suffer trolls lightly.
    It’s pretty apparent that the folks you’re talking about, disrupting groups and/or sending you hate mail do not understand nor embrace the nudist/naturist philosophy that the rest of us do.  No loss to throw them away, we don’t want them among us anyway.
    We ARE a selective group of people, worldwide, and if someone can’t accept and join us on OUR terms or appreciate the philosophy, they are free to run around naked with our blessing.  Just don’t expect to be accepted into our ‘family’.

  • NudaSol

    I want to point out an inaccuracy in your blog that I hope can be addressed.
    Scroll to the bottom of the two conflicting Facebook invites and you will see that FYN in fact posted the plans for their Spring Bash first, as anxious FYN members waited to see if any spring event would be offered. 3 days later, on January 8th, Sunsport announced an event the same weekend as the FYN event at Sunny Sands. 
    FYN Bash created the event.
    January 5
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1046508882042492/
    Sunsport Gardens Family Naturist Resort created the event.
    January 8
    https://www.facebook.com/events/1606463942907906/

  • pipermac5

    We have also collected a couple of “bait-twist & trash”ers, who bait someone whose comment they don’t like to clarify their comment, twist what the person wrote, and then use that to trash the person. I ran into one of those a couple of weeks ago, and when it became obvious that he was just looking for an excuse to trash me, I forsook the thread and blocked further notifications about that thread. Personal beliefs are personal beliefs, and why a person holds to those beliefs is nobody’s business and shouldn’t have to be justified. 

    YNA has attracted a higher percentage of contentious people what any other group I have ever been in. Have we been infiltrated by textiles, who are pretending to be nudists, who like nothing better that to stir the pot and get us at each other’s throats? If we have been infiltrated, they must be liking all the trash-talk that is going on.

    It is time for us to be “bigger” than that. We need to put our ideology differences aside and all start pulling together. Textiles have plenty of help on their side of this tug-of-war and it is high-time nudists quit helping them.

  • NotanlinesGuy

    You are so right, people are so quick to anger on FB and to judge others intentions without actually knowing what they are talking about.  The typed words on FB can be easily taken out of context or misunderstood, so we need to not be so quick to assume the worst on someones posts.
    I for one and 53 and think you guys are doing what needs to be done to further the nudist lifestyle and to gain understanding and acceptance of the same.

    I think it’s sad how much bullying goes on, especially against the YNA and Jordan and Felicity in particular, and think you are handling it the best way you can.  Try to mediate, but don’t allow it to get ugly, and if it does, remove the person.

    It’s time to try and get along much better if we are ever going to accomplish this goal of acceptance of our lifestyle and quit fracturing ourselves off in so many different directions.

  • Buffiteer

    Well written! Bravo!

  • JCWls

    Jordan, Keep the faith.  There are far more good, decent people that appreciate and admire the work you and Felicity are doing than not.  Ignore the infantile bullies and carry on…with our gratitude.