Young Naturists Support of Artists 4 Israel Golan Project
Young Naturist Causes and Support Of Artists 4 Israel Golan Project
(This post was written and published by Jordan Blum)
For the longest time neither Felicity, Young Naturists America nor myself have responded to any of the countless negative comments or ludicrous accusations made by some people (mostly from within the Nudist and Naturist communities).
But something happened when we published the announcement of the upcoming event by Artists 4 Israel. The moment we published the announcement we began receiving all kinds of comments. While most of the comments were supportive, a growing number of them were negative.
So I would like to take this opportunity to address some of the issues. For those of you who are unaware, let me begin by outlining some of the facts:
- The Artists 4 Israel event was not created by YNA
- The event was created to raise money to be able to to dress up some of the bomb shelters in the Golan Heights
- The Golan Heights borders Syria and with all the instability in that country there is a risk that people in Israel, especially in the Golan, might get shelled. This would mean that people (and children) might have to spend time (perhaps days or weeks in the bomb shelters)
- The event organizers contacted YNA to see if we could help with finding nude friendly people that would be willing to get body painted naked (not professional models – we were asked if anyone in our community would be interested)
- The Artists 4 Israel project aim: “Using art and beauty across the Golan to counteract the fear and uncertainty of attacks from Syria”
- Artists 4 Israel is a real organization, and they were approached by the Golan Municipalities.
For the record, I grew up in the northers part of Israel and have had to spend time in bomb shelters. I know how dreary and depressing they can be.
Here are some of the comments we received:
- The Golan Heights isn’t on the border with Syria, it’s Syrian territory illegally annexed by Israel.
- This group is trying to use art and partying to distract from Israel’s oppressive practices.
- A terrible idea that supports illegal settlement and Apartheid!
There were also far more upsetting comments on Facebook. Some made remarks that insinuated that Israel as a state (and the Jewish population that lives there) do not have a right to exist. Some took it a bit further and insinuated that by default – I (as in myself personally) do not have the right to exist.
For the record I would like to officially say – Screw everyone who thinks that one innocent child’s suffering is less significant than another!
So with that in mind…. Let me just say to those people who made the comments – “You Are Behaving Like Quite The Asses” (and I mean it from the bottom of my heart). To those who singled me out – “I am here and yes I am Jewish – Deal with it!”
None of those people who demanded that we not help out innocent civilians in the Golan offered to create an event to help the people on the other side of the fence.
I would like them to note the following facts:
- We never said no to helping out a fundraiser for the people of Syria.
- We did not turn down any organization that was legitimately trying to do good in this world.
- We have always been supportive of organizations that are willing to accept our values. Especially those that go so far as to incorporate them into a central part of their event.
- The interactions with the event organizers has been nothing but warm, respectful and positive.
We are not a big organization, but we do as much as we can and then some! And in an industry that is less than forward thinking or open minded and supportive. So with that in mind… I think it is time for all you hate mongerers of late to put your money where your mouth is. Like my grandmother would say – shit or get off the pot. Go out and create a transparent collaborative event that incorporates and celebrates the love and acceptance we have for people – the human beings themselves. Stop bitching and creating drama because you enjoy ranting in public! Kick the ego out and get to work! If you really care then focus on creating something positive rather than trying to hinder our efforts and creating drama.
Once you have it all together then let us know :) Till then – please behave with respect and note that we are doing what we can, with what we have to send a positive message.
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About the Author (Author Profile)Jordan Blum is a lifelong nudie and co-founder of Young Naturists America.
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ok, i heard all your ad hominems, but i have have no idea where you came up with the idea i was a wasp, or is that just code for non jewish? i didn't realize this was a closed forum. also, you really weaken what ever point it is you're making by launching into accusatory anti semite allegations. and i'll just note how this wasn't addressed by anyone either gabor. 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there will be peace in the middle east tomorrow.' how is that supposed to happen? there's a lot more evidence If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more palestine, the very thing jordan claimed about israel if they put down their weapons. you cannot make people's idea disappear. from a palestinian perspective, their land was stolen. claiming a bunch of arab armies invaded and started a war is disingenuous because everyone knows the war started months before any armies invaded, after hundreds of thousands of refugees fled or were expelled and towns were raised prior to may 14th 48. so i will gladly admit lots of zionists had no idea and no intention of ethnically cleansing palestine as they arrived by boat and moved right into other people's homes with the dishes still on the table, but it would behoove you to see thru the eyes of those people who lost their land, and not launch into some accusation of holocaust denial. because for 100's of thousands of people, that was their catastrophy. their nakba, and it is ongoing. people still get their homes bulldozed and are displaced to make room for settlers. try looking at that if you want to solve anything, because this is not going away anytime soon. and normal people resist being thrown out of their homes.
@annierobbins "From the Palestinians' perspective." The Palestinians were created by Arafat, an Egyptian terrorist, in 1964. Prior to that date, anyone referred to as a Palestinian was a Jew. Most of the arabs living in the British Mandate of Palestine came to the land to work once the Jews started developing the swamp land that they mostly bought from wealthy absentee arab land owners. The so called, Nabka, is Palestinian self inflicted propaganda. Let's start with that and take a look at the rest of your revisionist history. Somehow you miss the point that Jordan was also carved out of the British Mandate of Palestine for the Arabs. You also seem to forget that thousands of Arabs did not flee during the war and are now Israeli citizens, including Christians, Bedouin and Druze. The saddest fact is that you're okay with 50+ islamo-fasicsts regimes but somehow cannot get over the fact that there is a thriving Jewish democracy. It's a shame that people, who claim to be progressive, seem to want to destroy it.
annierobbinshttp://www.israelvideonetwork.com/fascinating-the-legal-case-for-israel "Battle against the LIES"
annierobbins Nakba, the huge part self-created catastrophy initiated by the Arab side (various Arab political, religious figures mostly from outside Arab states) as various credible historical documents attest to?
http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-nudists-rebuff-israel-critics/ Good article with many lots of good comments! Yay!
naturelover2728 annierobbins It's ALL about misinformation, delusions, under, - or non-informedness, being deceived and/or plain old hatred by the anti's.
annierobbins naturelover2728 further, your trite history revisionism (falsification) is not amusing. The least!
Sorry, it's actually "pigs and monkeys" per official Palestinian TV and - religious sermos - materials andspeeches. You however as a proud "progressive" support all this, naturally with lots of aggressive attck comments made by yourself. How embarrassing, revealing and self-defeating.
annierobbins Nakba and Holocasut on the same page is not only utterly disgusting and reprehensible, but in itself historical revisionism and Shoa-trivialization. Only far-Left and far-right fascists on both end of the spectrum engage in it... (I fail not to note you are a WASP woman, surely...)
annierobbins naturelover2728 You are a WASP. Your severe false and factually flawed attcks on "zionism" as the national liberation movement of Jews is objectionable, off-putting and reeks of some brown stench as far as I am concerned. I don't believe a single word of the syrupy nonsense of "peace" wishes you claim at the end of one of your comments.
annierobbins naturelover2728 Troll alert, again. Lame attempt at historical revisionism again from far-Left antisemite - with no sources as usual...
annierobbins naturelover2728Well, not only rocks, but snipers and their bullets as two innocent soldiers murdered in the past weak only shows. And you talka bout "truths" when you do not even dare to acknowledge the real start, origins and core of this conflict? Also, pervasive and abrasive constant acute hate-rpopagnda 24/7 from official soruces involving "naked" (pun intended) racism, bigotry, perversion "Jews are apes and monkeys", etc. etc. You'd be embarrassed if you knew all these things you have zero knowledge of apart from the BS platitudes and baanl trait tired thousand times refuted talking points offered by the Left/far-Left you must adore. How inane and lame. Have you checked the latest polls about the Pal-Arab society's Pew Research Center did? Well, I have done. It may certainly thorougly disabuse and disillusion anyone who because of ideological symphaties ally with the other side.
annierobbins naturelover2728 Well, not only rocks, but snipers and their bullets as two innocent soldiers murdered in the past weak only shows. And you talka bout "truths" when you do not even dare to acknowledge the real start and core of this conflict? How inane and lame.
All-Nudist naturelover2728 Well I would not have it any other way - your opinion is always valued (even if we dont see eye to eye)! As for the last part about us Jews and JC, let me just say, as a Jewish person I thought is FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Screw it if people dont understand humor :) "My People" bring and appreciate the Funny! Especially after over 2000 years of persecution! Lots of love :)
annierobbins JC, of course. It's a common shortcut. Those who espouse hatred over helping deserve the name, but you are incorrect in referring to them as 'our' adversaries; they're adversaries of YNA and those attempting to do a little good in this world as opposed to fomenting yet more strife. This is YNA's event and we merely support their efforts. A far as using 'hate' in regards to returning to a topic, you are kidding, right? It IS a word and does have its uses. Perhaps a little more imagination in term usage might have been preferable, but is this really about personal writing style? I really, really don't think you want to go there. Not at all surprised to see someone jumping on that allegory for lack of anything better to criticise. The comparison of JC, a Jew, being persecuted by his fellows for working for the good of others to Jordan, a naturist, being persecuted by his peers for doing the same thing in the same place, is inescapable and appropriate. The irony is delicious, if lamentable. Sorry you don't appreciate our brand of dark humor. Oh well! We are not the ones accusing YNA of participating in a Zionist undertaking and genocide.
All-Nudist naturelover2728 ok, that was kinda weird. by JC i suppose you meant jesus. i couldn't help but notice you've used the word hate twice, one of my pet peeves. earlier you called your adversaries 'haters', then you said you 'hated' to go back to the topic. JC didn't hate. you should try nixing it from your vocabulary. and joking/snarking/insinuating about jews killing jesus isn't ... funny hip or cool, it's stale. move on. peace.
naturelover2728 ok, just as an exercise wrt your 'firm beliefs' try not judging people at their word, but by their actions. wrt "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there will be peace in the middle east tomorrow."..ok, let's narrow that down to palestinians. by far, some might consider their most prominent pervasive weapon is rocks. personally i think it is truth, but that's harder to calculate. so let's go with rocks. and then let's look at israel's actions. they keep expanding, they are clearly interested in controlling and expanding into the entire region of palestine (eretz israel). granted, there are many israelis who do not havethis interest, but they are not prevailing over the ones who do want to 'settle' all of palestine. now how,given your beliefs, how do youthink palestinians not using rocks will lead to peace? do you think if they do not resist israel taking over all theur land it will lead to peace? wouldn't that be like me telling you if you just shut up and give me your home, we could all live peacefully? how is that peace? or are you pretending zionism and israel could have prevailed within palestine without palestinians being ripped off of all their land? their homes? seriously, how does not having weapons bring peace when the objective of zionism is an ethnic national state on land that belongs to palestinians? do you men settlers would not settle the rest of palestine if palestinians quit resistance? this is pure fantasy. and it's your 'firm belief'. you have a long long way to go, but i am glad you have an open mind.
erstwhile naturelover2728 We'll sweeten the pot. Give us something of value and we'll promote it far beyond what YNA can do. The ball's in your court. Time to put up or shut up.
naturelover2728 Yeah, well, you may have to eat those very nice words the next time you piss us off! ;-) But yeah, thanks and thank you guys for sticking to your ideals. Some, obviously, don't appreciate it. Hate to go back to that same topic, but look what happened to JC for doing just that! But wait a minute, wasn't it you guys that... oh, nevermind... ancient history!
annierobbins naturelover2728 Well, I try to keep an open mind. This week proved more difficult than most. I do still firmly believe in what I said. Not because I was "taught" it - I learned it the hard way. I was part of Arab Israeli summits, spent time with both sides, talked to many people, lived with and along side them and even served in the army. I dont think I know everything and I always assume I might be wrong.
All-Nudist naturelover2728 Now that is a lovely surprise :) Its good to "have you back" in whatever capacity you chose! You know, I never thought that teaching people how to be human would be so difficult - I have much to learn! Thank you for being you - you both are wonderful people and I missed you!
All-Nudist - You Rock! you should shoot us an email directly! I would love to learn more about you (since Steve and Angie are no longer at the helm, I have no idea who you are. That said, I love your outlook so rock on!)
naturelover2728 Ah Jordan, but it turns out that we ARE still at the helm, or back, though with a little help and trying to be less involved. Few things work as planned, especially when unplanned! That's life! One change is that we hope to be staying out of things like this! But alas, seeing you good guys getting beaten up for trying to do a good deed was just too much to ignore. It's too bad that the reaction to this event has been that it has become a political issue rather than an opportunity for our nudist/naturist community to come together. No one is going to solve the problems of the Middle East here on a small naturist group's blog, but some good could come from it if only folks would put aside their differences long enough to try. Unfortunately, that's a description of most of the world's problem in a nutshell. Arguing and fighting are much easier than cooperation between those with differing viewpoints. This may be an odd place to say this, but the main thing that JC tried to get across is to love one another. If we truly did, all else would fall into line. Whether JC was real or not is debatable, but the truth of that idea is not. It also is the one thing that people still haven't figured out how to do, to our shame and continued damnation in this life and in this world. Naturists, in their fashion, have come close, but then the ugly head of dissention rises above the unity we need and the spell is broken. Sad. Dare I say, Jesus wept.
naturelover2728 thank you for the offer Jordan, however..reading your response down thread "The bottom line, like or not, is this... If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there will be peace in the middle east tomorrow. But if Israel puts down their weapons today, there will not be a state of Israel tomorrow." i am afraid we may just be too far apart on this issue. i will give you some advice going forward tho, try imagining your critics are not 'insane'. try suspending your current reality by imagining what you perceive to be 'fact' (ie: "the fact that Israel had never started or initiated a war") is myth, and accept that you are possibly as much (if not more) mislead by what you've been taught (disinformation) as you imagine your adversaries to be. and good luck! sorting out 'core issues' is a huge task, but it's an important conversation that needs to happen. i do have faith peace will come to the region someday and as an american, of course i hope it's a peace that affords equal rights for all, irrespective for race, religion, or ethnicity.
erstwhile All-Nudist "YNA purports to speak for all American naturists" Untrue. We speak for Young Naturists America and we speak for myself and felicity - if you agree then we speak for you too ;) But dont assume to tell me that we represent only X or Y because we are more accepting and supportive than anyone else out there today. You create a legit event to support people on the other side of the fence while embracing the YNA outlook and values then we would support that too. So instead of making bold statement, why not get up and do something?
erstwhile First and foremost - the issue of freedom of speech is one that we battle with every single day. While I think your argument is at best weak and misguided, it is your opinion. It would be nice if the people who shared your opinion would be willing to have a real debate! But that would mean that they cant simply choose which facts to mention and which facts to ignore or even dismiss. For example, many people had commented (maybe not on this site) that the UN has no real legitimacy and that they had to right to even vote on creating a Jewish and Arab state. But then they bring up quotes from the UN trying to support their arguments. Also, the fact that Israel had never started or initiated a war seems trivial to these people. Don't even get me started on the fact that the Palestinian militants executed people of their own government in broad daylight because they did not feel that the elections were legit. Or the terrorists who call themselves "Freedom Fighters" but target civilians. The bottom line, like or not, is this... If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there will be peace in the middle east tomorrow. But if Israel puts down their weapons today, there will not be a state of Israel tomorrow.
annierobbins Hi Annie - Thank you for that erudite comment and you are right on many of the points you made. I was part of the youth political system back before I served in the IDF and then moved to New York. I was caught off guard with all the negativity surrounding this event (which is not even our event). It was not my intention to make a case for Israel's existence - I was hoping to try and show the people who made those down right insane comments that there is a difference between people and countries. Unfortunately these people can not be reasoned with. The simple fact is that they ignore history and chose to embrace fictional accounts. It makes it impossible to reason with insanity. That said, if they would have been willing to have an actual debate then I say bring it on. The goal was to address the issue of surrounding the event only. That said, I might need to take on the core issues in the very near future. If you are willing to / interested in creating a post that deals with the core issues then please send it to me. As long as it is accurate (and based on what I have seen I dont think that will be an issue) then I would be happy to post it. Unfortunately my social networks have been blowing up since we first posted the announcement so I have been dealing with people on all fronts. It is a very sad world we live in and I now see just how much hate and disinformation is out there! These people should be ashamed of themselves. Just warning you that if you do chose to post something, it will but you in their line of fire!
Jordan, it's unfortunate you chose not to address any of the commenters questions or allegations such as "The Golan Heights isn’t on the border with Syria, it’s Syrian territory illegally annexed by Israel." instead you addresses alleged 'insinuations'. it just so happens anyone can do a search for 'exist and it is only written once in that comment thread you linked to': "Am I pro-Settler? If by being so you are asking do I support the existence of human beings who live in settlements? Of course." do you see the crutch in this statement? the only people insinuating is the person who made the statement. supporting 'the existence of human beings who live in settlements', insinuates not supporting people living in settlements means you do not not support the existance of the people as human beings. it thwarts the meaning, but you probably know that already. what's telling is that you need to offer a thwarted manipulated version of your adversaries in order to carry on a rant against them. and then you proceed ( like most israel supporters) to accuse your adversaries of hatred. you don't have the guts to address the 'morals' it takes to expel people out of their homes to make room for these settlers but you're peddling the accusation your critics hate you and want you to not exist. sounds a little far fetched and victimy to me. if you want to be taken seriously try addressing what they actually said, instead of Craig Dershowitz's allegations. and speaking of Dershowitz, he's a nakba denier. shame on you. this is whom you're defending, he said this right in the thread you linked to: "These individuals were A. Not Palestinian (it is a term which only became popularized after Jordan expelled part of their Arab population), B. not expelled but chose to leave voluntarily as the Arab nations had threatened to wipe Israel off the map and did not want them to be collateral damage." it's a tad hypocritical whining about not 'upsetting comments' when you gloss over the equivalence of holocaust denial. the catastrophy for a whole nation of people exiled from their land for the benefit of you. a little compassion and understanding might be in order, instead of accusations of hatred, denial, and playing victim. you're not, you're the victor supporting art for the victor.
Unfortunately this illustrates that anti-semitism is still alive in today's world and is compounded by inaccurate and biased reporting regarding Israel. To you I say Kol Kakavod for you principled stand
@http://www.livefyre.com/profile/21487946/ - No, YNA does NOT purport to represent 'all' American naturists, which you would know if you were more than a troll looking for a place to spew your personal political opinions. YNA is an agenda-driven organization promoting THEIR idea of social nudism, which we at All-Nudist.com have occasionally disputed certain aspects of, but we still respect their right to promote it. Everything they do has a positive aspect to it, whether we fully agree or not. And there is nothing in their membership info requiring anyone to subscribe to any political affiliation, of course. Nonetheless, they are entitled to do what they wish. In THIS case, they choose to support, in their own way, an organization which tries to help victims, NOT aggressors. Children in bomb shelters aren't Zionists or any sort of 'ists'. They're just scared kids. YNA didn't bring a political agenda to this discussion, you did. It's been a nasty situation over there since long before we were children, and it isn't going to be resolved soon, if ever. However, ANY organization which seeks to relieve even a little of the pain is welcome, 'right wing' or not. If not them, who? What have YOU done? Do you have an organization that YNA could support in a similar fashion, as they have offered to do? Do you have more to offer than criticism of those who are actually DOING something other than merely surfing the 'net looking for a place to gain attention to yourself? Give credit where credit is due, and find a better target for your politically motivated hatred, There are far too many folks ready to attack and far too few trying to do good. YNA is trying to do good; and for that they deserve praise, not politically based criticism.
All-Nudist YNA purports to speak for all American naturists - perhaps if you want to make one-sided support of Israel a condition of membership in your group, you should rename it Young Nudist Zionists? Or maybe just Zionudists?
Hey Jordan - Thanks for showing your commitment to free speech and open debate my letting me comment here. Just like to point out to anybody new to the conversation that Artists4Israel isn't supporting peace and understanding, they're supporting a right-wing nationalist policy of militarily oppressing the people of Palestine ( and Syria, in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights). One of Artist4Israel's biggest actions recently has been a street art action in the settlement of Ariel. Here's http://www.friendsofariel.org/
You can rest assured that had this project been of benefit to Syrian shelling victims YNA would have received similar comments and attacks from just as many people. In a time where EVERYTHING is politicized, there are no neutral subjects, not even the idea of helping hurting people. You, as site owners, have every right to hold and promote your own views should you choose to. But this event isn't, we believe, partisan in that it only aims to help victims, not aggressors. Those who would deny succor to those in harm's way have lost their perspective and given in to unrestrained hatred. That doesn't sound like a naturist ideal, so who are these people looking up naturist websites and Facebook pages? What are the looking for? We know, and that doesn't lend them much credibility, does it? Nor does it buy them a ticket to participate in naturist forums. There are plenty of political sites and Pages for them to vent their spleens on. Keep doing what you're doing; you can't please everyone but maybe you can help a few, and that's more than the naysayers are doing.