Nudist Videos by ClothesFree.com Sparks Naturist Video Discussion

| May 16, 2014 | 32 Comments

Nudist Videos by ClothesFree.com is Naturist or Voyeuristic?

ClothesFree.com Nudist Videos – The Debate begins:

Nudist Video – For those of you who might not be familiar with it, there is a website called clothesfree.com that cranks out “naturist” related and what they deem to be true nudist videos. I tend to find very few websites that have high-quality, valuable video content relating to nudism and naturism. There are tons of websites out there that post videos featuring naked people, and while they might be called “nudist videos,” many of these sites offer very little (if any) truly engaging or interesting nudie-related content. Many are clearly just out to make money with naked click bait and are not created to engage the naturist community.

Instead, they are really just trying to cater to the hyper sexual whims of young college boys. So it’s important to look critically at every nudist video online. More often than not, a video will be seen by non-nudists, and we always think about how it’ll be perceived and what the intent is. Does it equally represent genders, ages, body types, races? Does it show the human body in a non-sexual way? Every video has an intent. Is it meant to introduce a naturist location to other naturists? Is it meant to be mere entertainment? Is it meant to encourage others to try naturism? If so, does it really achieve that goal?

At YNA we’re not interested in promoting content that’s hardly about naturism and more about getting clicks and money. Of course, with photos and nudist videos, whether they are truly “naturist” or not is very often up for debate. So with that in mind, I would like to share a little discussion that was sparked in our Facebook group.

I hope the discussion will not be too difficult to follow, and for the record, I removed the names of most of the people (to keep their privacy intact). An asterisk * indicates the name was changed. I also modified some of the conversation to make it easier to follow here. There were many typos and a ton more comments – I did my best to clean it up and get the point across.

Nudist Videos by ClothesFree.com

Nudist Videos by ClothesFree.com, source: http://clothesfree.com

So this is what happened…. A ClothesFree.com nudist video that takes place at Deep Creek Hot Springs was published in our group, with the following comment:

Hi Nudies:) Check out this new video we made with go pro at deep creek!

The first round of comments were positive:

  • Great fun !!
  • Awesome adventure.
  • Wow! What a beautiful place to go for a hike and dips!! Awesome video. You can really get a sense of the fun the participants had while being there. Thanks for sharing!

Then the following comments appeared which opened the door for a real erudite conversation:

  • Interesting how the video mostly focuses on the women.
  • I thought the same, while it was fun and interesting it did lack gender balance. Which leaves a few questions.

At this point, Felicity chimed in and said:

  • Felicity Jones: It’s well-done (& we don’t see too many high-quality nudist videos like this), but there is definitely a focus on the women & a few shots feel a little bit voyeuristic.

And the discussion continues:

  • Yeah, above and beyond a lack of gender balance, some of the shots seemed kinda “cheeky” to me. They’re young so I give them the BOTD [benefit of the doubt]
  • Felicity Jones: It’s a production company that made it. They might be new, but they’re not young.

All this happened in a matter if minutes. It was at this point that I joined in:

  • Jordan Blum: I don’t get the point. It’s nice quality but more of a voyeuristic approach than a naturist one – focusing on breasts and vaginas and not showing penises / focusing on men. That is what we expect from mainstream. Shouldn’t the naturist community raise the bar?
Sexual Nudist Video YNA

Sexual Nudist Video Showing close-up shot of a girl’s breasts with snake

  • thanks for sharing this video. Lots to appreciate: First off, looks like they all had a blast! Loved the location. Great video & sound quality. Cinematography was great. The pans and zooms added so much more vibrancy to the shots. I especially liked the downhill pan at 1:37. Kudos to the editor for the dynamic pacing.
  • I liked the flow of the story. Starting out with sunrise and waking up, plus chilling and socializing before the trek, was a great intro. It was nice to see the journey to the site and the fun times after arrival.
  • I was a little surprised at the group boob flash and butt cheek flash, but not in a bad way. Sometimes we nudists are a little too serious about ourselves. It was playful and confident, not pornographic.
  • I hope that CFI continues to strive for this level of quality. I think videos like this would be very effective at bringing in a younger crowd to the world of nudism. My only criticism, however, is that as the video progressed, I became increasingly disturbed by how much focus was on the girls and not the guys. ( And this is coming from a heterosexual. ) Definitely a lack of gender balance. I’m sure that your most positive feedback is going to be from male viewers, and suspect that many females are going to be turned-off by the lady crotch-shots and boob zooms, coupled with the lack of male skin.
  • I’d strongly recommend handing the cameras to females sometimes, and letting them record their appreciation of confident masculinity. This video showed that such female appreciation can be a bit titillating without being porn. ( If the producers are worried about turning off male viewers, the simple solution is show full-frontal male nudity without zooming in on penises. ) On the other hand, when nudists are fighting so hard to convince the public that nudism isn’t about sex(uality), videos with a Playboy flavor ( only nude females ) kinda defeat the purpose.
  • Overall, I enjoyed the video. I think if future videos are more gender balanced, (even 60/40 female/male) they’ll be a great way to generate interest in the younger generation.
  • I saw the voyeuristic approach comment on the Vimeo video and there was brief frames of the penis, but I do agree that that particular video did seem to avoid capturing the parts of men that is normally covered, but had no problem capturing the parts of the women that are normally covered.
  • I’ve seen other Vimeo videos though, that were not like that at all. Most nudist spots I attend also have children, but videos of those places rarely, if ever, show children enjoying the sun.
  • Personally, I’d rather look at nude women than men or children, so I enjoyed the video that Tom* shared with us. Thanks!!!.
  • It should show everyone having fun. I understand not being able to show nude children but there’s no reason for a naturist video to be focusing only on women just because some men would rather see that or are uncomfortable looking at another penis. Okay so why are there a lot more women then men? Especially considering that nudism is a male dominant activity????
  • Jordan Blum: You all rock! I thought the elements and technical aspects were all very well done.
  • We are a 365 day a year group… Would be nice if it could have been about community.
  • And quite frankly I didn’t see anyone crying discrimination but simply asking a question, I don’t see a problem with that.
  • Jordan Blum: The best way to put it – we are not the demographic.
  • Jordan Blum: So to answer your question, Alex* – to hit their core spending demographic – Young white male middle to upper middle class and open minded to next experiences / adventurist / excitable. Probably with disposable income / access to cash and / or credit
  • So basically. Lie to them? As in – The men with the disposable income. Hoping to hang out with the only young pretty naked ladies?
  • Jordan Blum: Well that is a tricky question and probably best to be answered by ClothesFree.com. But in my opinion, based on only the video, it was made with the intent to make its money on a bigger audience. This discussion reaffirms that they are probably on the right track as well as us not being the core demographic.
  • Still don’t like that showing boobs is the only way.
  • Jordan Blum: Not the only way… A hopeful quick / ROI oriented way. It’s also made for a west coast / southern audience in mind (at least that is what it seems like) so there might be something to that too. Again, I could be completely wrong about everything I said, it’s just the impression I get.
Nudist Video YNA

“Nudist” (?) Video By ClothesFree.com

The comments continued:

  • It’s still think it is a good video and I think there should be a fair share of showing both male and female.
  • Let’s hope so. I don’t expect 50/50 but I was disappointed that the main focus seemed to be – Hey look at these pretty cheeky naked girls.

It was at this point that the ClothesFree.com Nudist Video producer chimed in herself:

  • To answer some concern about lack of men in the shoot: I tried to find more men to come and mostly only women could show up. It was the best I could make at the time. Our goal is to have fun and show the world that getting naked with friends is fun and cool.

Which prompted the following:

  • I feel you have achieved that. It made me want to visit Deep Creek! I showed my wife as soon as I saw your video. Somehow, I wasn’t even conscious of the male/female ratio. Maybe it’s just me.
  • Perhaps it should have just focused on the backdrop and not pay much attention to the people themselves
  • I just think the video is great and great to show how fun skinny dipping is.
  • The naked people were just part of the wonderful backdrop. The FUN was what stood out for me
  • This debate has inspired a challenge: can anyone find an example of a non- voyeuristic, gender-balanced, informative, entertaining naturism-positive video that can be appreciated equally by both males and females? Does such a thing even exist?
  • YNA has some short videos on YouTube that don’t just flash women’s breasts. Maybe more nudists should step up and make one.
  • Jordan Blum: Our videos are message driven only. Plus the quality, editing, post production are really awesome (not too mention far more complex and time consuming). But here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmaAe0SmGL8

An Ex-ClothesFree.com Producer chimed in:

  • Ex ClothesFree.com Nudist Video Producer: Agreed. I got a lot of complains sent to me about the lack of equal penis time in the vid, since I directed/produced CFI past videos they thought this was mine too. I corrected them and passed info to Corky who says future ON LOCATION videos will have more dudes involved.
  • Well all the promotions for nudist resorts I have seen use women rather than men as their spokespeople.
  • That’s true. One particular I know only uses women even though they are a couples only resort.
  • The Actual Nudist Video Producer Chimes in: I’m sorry for your concern of the lack of penis . It just happens that there are more women at my parties than men.
  • I think it’s awesome that you have so many women at your parties! Many nudie get-togethers are male dominated.
  • Ex ClothesFree.com Nudist Video Producer: It’s not the lack of penis there it’s the lack of it shown on video. Not one close-up compared to the breast/vag close-ups, there were men there, so concerns I got was on the choice to omit dudes in final cut. Oh well- can’t make everyone happy, trust me I know that. See u soon.
Sexualized Nudist Video YNA

Sexualized Nudist Video With Vagina Close-up’s

  • Felicity Jones: That’s not the issue. The men that ARE there are hardly seen, and there is also a voyeuristic focus on the women’s bodies. A zoom on a woman’s crotch, but no zoom on a man’s crotch. It looks like it was made just to grab the attention of straight men. We, meaning the naturist community as a whole, can do better. We should always look closely at the image we are putting out there & think about how it will be perceived. Refusing to do that is to fail from the start. Thank you @Ex ClothesFree.com Producer! So glad you understand
  • Ex ClothesFree.com Nudist Video Producer: Exactly
  • That’s a very valid point, Felicity. Honestly, I wasn’t thinking about it in those terms but I can see your point.
  • Excellent point, Felicity. In order for the film to be honest, it should give a feel of the gender balance at the event and show the fun people were having, not close ups of breasts and vaginas.
  • Ex ClothesFree.com Nudist Video Producer: Felicity Jones, Corky just informed me that a new edit is being made to include more men to the video and not just focus on women. Letting everyone know. He’s removing the girl-girl kiss which got complaints and a lot of sexualizing vagina close-ups. As well as including a more equal male time. I think that’ll settle upset folks.
Picture from a Nudist Video by Clothefree Turns Sexual YNA

Nudist Video by Clothefree Turns Sexual With Girl on Girl Kiss

  • Jordan Blum: It is not the lack of showing penises per se… It is just that it comes off like any MTV video where you have the guys singing and the girls prancing around. It is just the same ole approach of using sex to sell. If that was the intent then your core demographic will be the same as the Maxim Magazine readers – not the naturist community. I guess the questions are – who are the target audience and what is the message (if there is a notable one)
  • You are entitled to your opinion but are you a paying subscriber on the site? I’m guessing not – Corky will listen to complaints from paid subscribers, some of whom are older conservative families.
  • I’m just voicing my support for well produced work and expressing my appreciation for it, not complaining.
  • Jordan Blum: It is a well produced video – no doubt but it is reminiscent of the type of stuff that Internaturally used to sell. I personally do not see the point in such videos aside from making money (again – I just don’t think the the video will have any interest for true naturists – but then again, I don’t think most of the videos out there are really geared towards true naturists anyway. They just use the term to promote and sell stuff to mainstream. Naked girls = $$)

This article about the clothesfree.com nudist video was published by Young Naturists and Nudists America YNA

After all of this discussion, I had a positive outlook on how ClothesFree.com would handle their nudist videos in the future. Two weeks later, I can proudly say that seems to be true. This video was released last week of the Bare Burro 5K race at Olive Dell Ranch. It takes a more fun, care-free approach with a diverse cast of people and the voyeuristic shots seem to have been left on the cutting room floor.

*EDIT* – May 17th, 2014 – This nudist video by ClothesFree.com seems to have been taken down for some reason. We will restore it when / if it becomes available again.

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Jordan Blum is a lifelong nudie and co-founder of Young Naturists America.
  • maddog4800

    maugran808 Scoutniagara

    It’s OK to hike nude the entire trail to Deep Creek from the north.  The video starts on private property where the owner is OK with nudity and you can camp nude.  It then crosses to BLM and Forest Service land which have no problems with nudity here.  I’ve freehiked this several times with many other nudists.  It’s a great hike!

  • maddog4800

    j238

    Deep Creek is very comfortable at night except during the winter.  It’s high desert, 3500′, where the trail begins down to the springs. I’ve slept on the ground using my sleeping bag as just a blanket in mid-September and was quite comfortable. Mid-spring to mid-fall low temps are mild to even hot in summer.

  • kishorshah31

    Neonnn03 true.

  • Neonnn03

    The more we obsess over sex being bad, the more we will have problems with this.

  • annaliddell

    @AmyHi1 
    I had a problem with them flashing their shirts. Perhaps that sounds odd, but for a nudist while toplessness and even full nudity isn’t necessarily sexual while flashing certainly is a turn on.

  • annaliddell

    j238 
    Yeah, the girl on girl kiss was too much.  It would have been too much if it was a guy on girl too.

  • annaliddell

    nudiarist BillSchroer 
    It’s a fine line that’s for sure.  Nudism should be sensual but not in a sexual way.
    I think a fair mix of genders would have worked better there though.  It would show that it didn’t become a big orgy just because young men and women were there naked together.
    And of course I don’t mean an exact 50-50 split. Just something more balanced so it doesn’t look like the “nudist videos” that really aren’t targeted to nudists like those Russian Nudist ones that only featured underaged girls.

  • annaliddell

    JohnThomas1 
    I see that too with many nudists.
    Like why should be be supportive of those nude activists in San Fransisco. The truth is that many of the men there were not merely nude but masturbating as well.  They didn’t even sit on a towel which every nudist knows they should do.

    Also nudists believe in being nude when appropriate. Nudists aren’t out to offend people, they just want their own designated places.  Nudism is about social nudity not public nudity (being nude in non nudist locations among people who might disapprove of the nudity) as these people were clearly supporting.

  • annaliddell

    nudiarist neonmen 
    Videos need to be careful to show nudism realistically. Sure there will always be those who watch them for less than honest reasons, but one shouldn’t cater to them.
    I realize this is tougher for young naturalist group because well they are young, and the less attractive members are probably not going to want to be seen on video. The best thing to do there would be to have a better proportion of nude men to nude women (something you tend to fail to do on your tumblr site Chet).
    I will never forget those Russian videos (which I believe are now removed) that showed underaged girls.  They were not doing anything inappropriate (from our standard). I actually found the whole sauna stuff interesting because I had been reading about that tradition. But since they included ONLY nude underaged girls you knew that they weren’t made for people interested in Russian Banya traditions.

  • annaliddell

    nudeinspain kishorshah31 
    I think what was meant was if one would just take what is seen in “nudist” videos for of course in real life it is actually the other way around.

  • nudeinspain

    kishorshah31 Hum… looks like you don’t know much about nudism and naturism, or at least you haven’t been out in a social environment.

  • kishorshah31

    it seems WOMEN are enjoyig naturism freely,& men are reluctant to nudism.

  • crabcakes1977

    What I most love is how you feign moral supremacy while accepting ads from groups that post this: http://nude-yoga.com/gallery/ 

    Please, if you want to hypocrites, try to be better at covering your tracks…

  • nudiarist

    neonmen The “almighty dollar” is what keeps nudist and naturist clubs and organizations afloat financially. Volunteerism only gets you so far in this world. We need more and more of these artistic and beautiful videos, so here’s hoping that AANR and TNS recognize talent and manage to coax Blue Turtle into making more video presentations exactly like this one.

  • neonmen

    I didn’t see ANY vaginas, but there were some nice, mostly natural vulvas. It seems as though some CFI videos used to be more balanced, in the past, but this one was certainly out of kilter. When I first found CFI they seemed more interested in presenting naturism from a natural viewpoint. I quit bothering with them when it seemed to turn rather abruptly to the almighty Dollar.

  • nudeinspain

    We have mixed views on these kind of videos. Surely they help to raise nudism’s awareness, showing a dynamic beautiful group of people. On the other hand, most of them don’t look like true nudists, and the whole video looks more girls doing the Mardi Gras flashing or a group of “actors” in the nip put together rather than a real bunch of young naturists enjoying a day out. I know the video says it’s CFI’s crew, and we have no reason not to believe it, but after being nudist for many years, we can say this doesn’t show reality. Reality shows that the average nudist is a male over 50.
    At least we hope videos like this will help to lower down a bit the ageing nudist population and contribute to a real gender balance… but in our opinion it doesn’t show what naturism is about.

  • JohnThomas1

    The best thing about this video is the discussion it started. Most often the nudist community seems to just accept anything that shows nudity, as long as it’s not pornographic. I suspect that people are either uninformed or intimidated from questioning things for fear of being seen as ‘uptight.’ But it is so important to question things! 

    I did find the video to be on the titillating side. So I have to ask:  why would a supposed “nudist” website make a video that was too much like the typical “nudity equals sex” videos that we see everywhere? 

    I’d like to think they just caved in to the desire to make the video appeal to the widest audience – which is of course the problem. If we try to appeal to the widest possible audience, we play their game, and lose our way. 

    Fortunately it seems that a better version of the video was made, and I hope this discussion means better representations of nudism will be created.

  • Dandsnude

    I’m sorry to be the one that points this out, and I mean nothing by it, but the YNA video also had a clear and overwhelming emphasis on females. I’m sure, that as all of these such videos do, the intent is to advertise and draw in more members. Having females will bring in both men, looking for coed nude company, or women, finding comfort in having peers. Furthermore, I would like to point out the public face of YNA being Felicity. The effectiveness of a female in both pushing the limits of top free laws, as well as spreading the word of nudism, goes much farther in the publics eye than that if male.
    Again, I’m merely playing devils advocate. I mean no disrespect.

  • BillSchroer

    nudiarist BillSchroerThanks for your good thoughts….and I especially appreciate the point about the “police lineup”photos : )   We’ll work on that!  Bill

  • nudiarist

    BillSchroer  Thank you so much for your statement that nudism/naturism can be sensual and fun. For so long organized nudism has downplayed this aspect of nude recreation to the point where it has been represented as some sort of asexual, sterile activity.
    I love this video because it’s truly representative of the absolute joy people can experience when skinny-dipping. Any expectation that every video must somehow “equally represent genders, ages, body types, races” is an impossible standard to meet. Not to mention sexual orientation. Facebook now offers over 50 “gender options” from which to choose – certainly nobody can expect any naturist video to equally represent all of those. 
    But your postscript says it all perfectly – the video made you want to be there. So much of today’s nudist material fails to elicit this response. The AANR Bulletin is getting better, but the standard of putting nudists in poses resembling police lineups still exists. This is the first nudist/naturist video which truly breaks the mold of clinically created photos and videos which have plagued the organizations for years.
    So yes, yes, yes, this is “exactly the kind of video” needed to move naturism forward. At last, an Executive Director who “gets it”.

  • BillSchroer

    Really like the dialogue and honest discussion about whether this video is pandering or genuinely reflecting the environment of the scene during that shoot.  While editing absolutely can make all the difference….women are often more comfortable in an “acting” role, playing  to the camera, etc.  while men feel more awkward and “ridiculous”.  
    This is exactly the kind of video and commentary needed to help move naturism forward, establish standards and ultimately help us persuade mainstream America that naturism/nudism is not porn or titillation…although it can be sensual and fun.
    My 2 cents…

    Bill Schroer
    Exec. Director

    AANR 
    P.S.  The video did make me want to be there and be part of that outing!

  • kishorshah31

    nice & natural

  • j238

    I think the least naturist moment in the video was at the very beginning.  Not too many places are warm enough to allow sleeping outdoors overnight in the nude.  Yet, we see a young lady with gaze-worthy breasts waking up and pushing down her sleeping bag.

  • Nat Biss

    The first time I watched this video I liked it. I didn’t even notice what you mention in this post. I could only see a group of people having fun in a hot spring in the mountains. They were young, good looking and happy. Great photography, nice music and a wonderful setting. If the idea was to display a positive image of nudism, this video got it.
    Then I read all these comments and watched it a second time. Had I missed something the first time?
    Now I have to agree with you in the unbalanced focus on women and the profusion of close-up views of female bodies. But even with that, this video is far from a mere displaying of nude girls.
    I can’t share many of the criticism. It is clear that this is not the average group in a nudist environment, but are films stars similar to your average neighbour? Does everybody have the perfect families that appear in TV commercials? Just take a closer look at the ads in this site…
    I would have probably removed a few seconds from the footage, but as someone wrote in the comments: “Sometimes we nudists are a little too serious about ourselves”.

  • maugran808

    AndyScribbens  The odd thing about this particular video is that it seems in contrast to the majority of what they promote on the main site.  Of course, this is the paid portion of the site, but those videos show different shapes, sizes, colors, etc.

  • maugran808

    Scoutniagara  There are some places where it is not appropriate to be nude on the way to a swimming hole; however, when you arrive at the said place, it becomes clothing-optional.  Just saying…

  • Scoutniagara

    Why could the group be naked at the spring, but had to hike clothed?  While at Martinique, I hiked naked to the beach, once we’d passed the car park restaurant area.

  • j238

    The sexy moments seemed to come pretty naturally to the participants.  I don’t see a problem with that outside of strict adherence to the “non-sexual” phrase.  

    Footage of young ladies enjoying themselves could inspire some participation that would move the naturist ratio just a bit in the right direction. 

    Give some naturist points for including footage of natural growth south of the border. 

    Maybe the girl-on-girl kiss pushed the envelope a bit, but removing it could be offensive to the LGBT community.

  • AndyScribbens

    Had alot of interaction with “Clothesfree” when they did a video for White Thorn Lodge a few years ago, & found them to be nothing but incredibly professional.

  • AmyHi1

    “The Actual Naked Video Producer Chimes in I’m sorry for your concern of the lack of penis” that sort of comment shows the maturity level or lack their of  of the person responsible for this video and explains so much of the other problems with it . The problem was that close ups of genitals be it male or female, By legal definition that  crosses the line from nudist to sexual and if the producer is unaware of the difference  he should refrain from making nudist videos in the future . As far as the girl on girl kiss I have to land on his side on that one that was cute and kind of sweet from my point of view .

  • maugran808

    I thought I would add to the mix.  I agree with what has already been said in other comments.  In the video, I saw a group of young women flash the camera and one woman flashed us her but.  This type of activity I do not associate with social nudism. I saw women flashing their boobs, which is what most guys dream about.  Not part of any social nudism I have experienced.

    During the course of the video, I saw three males.  I did not see many shots of full-frontal nudity of these men.  I did see an up-close shot of a woman’s vagina, which seemed misplaced.

    I do not think there is a difference between the east coast and the west coast as it relates to social nudity.  It would be nice if these videos made an attempt at gender balance, positive body image (i.e. including different shapes and sizes), and absence of covert or overt sexual references.  I agree with Kamadodragon.

  • I know the Videos have good intentions and I think they should cover all the areas including, race, sex, gender, sexual orientation and gender ID.