Nudist Erections and Issues Pertaining to Public Erection and Boners

| July 23, 2013 | 177 Comments

Nudist Erection and Issues With Nude Nudists With Public Erections

Yes erections are natural, but a nudist with erections is an unwelcome sight in a a public nudist setting:

Public Nudist Erections – A number of articles out there deal with the (potentially overexposed!) topic of nude males with erections and nudism. Many who practice naturism feel that too much negative emphasis goes towards this naturally occurring event.

Others within the nudist community express the sentiment of “protecting” certain groups from what they perceive as an overtly sexual gesture. Religious aspects and societal views continue to make the penis and its actions an area of discussion within the nudist community.

Click here to read our article about the male penis.

Male Penis Erections and Why Men Get Erect

An erection is typically defined as the physical result of additional blood traveling to an organ with erectile tissue, especially the penis or clitoris. In the U.S., “erection” is typically used for the male penis. In the penis, local tissue is home to a number of spongy chambers that remain soft, or flaccid, most of the time. Erections are typically associated with sexual maturation and arousal. That said, studies show that prepubescent boys also experience occasional hardening of the penis.

Public Nudist Erections In front Of Naked A Woman YNA

Sporting Public Nudist Erections In front Of Naked Woman – Not Cool!

An interesting component to erections includes the act of involuntary hardening. Sexually oriented thoughts are NOT the only thing that causes the male penis to rise to the occasion. It’s normal for guys to get erect several times a day for no particular reason.

Also, any act that generates blood flow to the lower portion of the body, like sports, can be enough to trigger an erection. It’s also normal for a man to get erect during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep.

Erections can be impossible to control, especially among younger males. So an erection does not automatically signal sexual arousal; however, society still almost exclusively associates it with sexual arousal. Erections can subside on their own or after ejaculation.

Nudist Erections

Nudist Erection Issues

Average Size of an Erect Penis

While we’re on the subject, we may as well address penis size. Most naturists see for themselves that penises vary greatly in size, shape and appearance. Just for reference, the average size when flaccid is 3 – 4 inches long and average erection size is 5 – 6 inches long. But please note: most penises that fall outside of these ranges are still normal. These are simply averages.

A Naked Man's Flaccid vs Erect Penis YNA

A Naked Man’s Flaccid vs Erect Penis

You might already know about sizes, but did you know that flaccid size does not determine erection size ? A small penis may grow quite a few inches in length while a longer penis might not grow much at all. For guys with the former, this is where the phrase “I’m a grower, not a shower” comes in.

Does Penis Size Matter?

Popular culture promotes the idea that small is shameful, and bigger is always better for sex. A lot of mainstream pornography features men with big penises for entertainment value. In reality, many women would agree that bigger does not mean better.

Sex educators correct this myth by saying it’s not the size of your penis that matters as much as what you do with it. Many women would prefer a small or average-size penis over a large one. (Of course there are people who prefer certain sizes – small and large! – or who fetishize certain sizes.)

Flaccid vs Erect Male Penis and Penise Size Comparison Gallery YNA

Flaccid vs Erect Male Penis Size Image Gallery YNA

Sexual matters aside, in naturist settings, there is no need to feel ashamed or embarrassed about your penis size. Everyone looks different, and naturists could generally care less about the size of your penis, or any body part for that matter.

Penile Erections in Religion and Society

Massage therapist Sarah Ryan-Knox explored the dilemma of male erections within her profession. Her piece on handling the situation professionally included a section where co-workers expressed conflicted emotions about dealing with a stimulated client. While most therapists understand that massage could cause involuntary erections, some felt the session might deviate from the therapeutic and into the sexual territory.

Clients expressed feelings of embarrassment at the thought of potential erections when they really have no reason to feel shame. Ryan-Knox went on to explain why the penis still has a bad reputation in modern society.

A 5th century philosopher by the name of Augustine helped to shape religious opinion regarding the penis and all of its actions. While the seeds of Western Christianity were in their infant stages, Augustine touted the connection between erections, lust and sin. Previous generations admired the penis and its connection to masculinity. But a rapidly changing society began to see the organ as the root of evil. This shift in perception left an impression that still causes issues today.

Boner At A Nude Beach - A Naked Nudist Man Public Erections

Boner At A Nude Beach – A Naked Nudist Man Public Erections

Antiquated torture devices demonstrate the fear and hate associated with erections. Cages lined with spikes, metal codpieces and electroshock machines emerged to help men handle their “embarrassing” condition. Many households utilized these contraptions until the early 20th century.

Psychologists discovered that religion also plays a major part in sexual issues expressed by many of their current patients. A 2011 article for Examiner.com illustrated how deeply religious families teach children that sex is a dirty / taboo topic and anything dealing with the sexual organs is wrong.

These attitudes carry over into adulthood and taint everything from romantic relationships to public interactions. In situations where physical abuse did not exist, extreme religious teachings fostered many dysfunctions and strong opinions.

Nudist Views on Getting a Penis Erection in a Public Setting or Naked Event

“What if I get an erection?” is the number one question among guys looking to try social nudity. For some, the fear of getting a public erection is enough to curb their interest in it. The fact is, nudist erections are talked about way more than they actually occur in social nude settings.

Many have trouble separating nudity and sexuality in their minds and can’t imagine how a social nude setting could be anything but arousing. But once they experience it and get used to it, they can see that it’s no more overtly sexual than the public textile beach (and in reality, a nude beach is even less so which is why nudist men with erections at nude beach are also quite rare).

Penise Erection In Action

Penise Erection In Action

In the nudist community, the established nudist erection etiquette is to cover up with a towel or go in the water until the moment passes. In nudist resorts / clubs, having an involuntary erection or temporary arousal is usually tolerated as long as guys are discrete about it. However, flaunting or walking around with a prolonged visible erection is typically against the rules and may result in being asked to leave. The reasoning being that flaunting an erection is an inappropriate sexual behavior / advance and will make others uncomfortable.

Some naturists see nothing wrong with involuntary erections and believe there is too much shame and embarrassment surrounding a natural bodily function. In a forum discussion on the topic, users illustrate many random moments where a situation could arise, during a communal movie or in the midst of a volleyball game.

Some naturists don’t think guys should even have to cover up when it happens because it’s simply “natural.” Of course the counterargument is that sex itself is also “natural,” yet most naturists do not have sex in public (and surely not during a naturist or nudist function).

Never Flaunt Nudist Erections In Public YNA

Never Flaunt Nudist Erections In Public

Some naturists feel the need to protect children and other groups from sexual exposure. Parents fear the vision of an erect male will send their progeny into a state of confusion and cause psychological scarring.

A small percentage of naturists wrote about respecting the needs of individuals who experienced prior abuse and assault. The sight of an erect penis could trigger unpleasant memories in victims of sexual crime.

Harden Nipples vs. Penis Erections – A Double Standard?

There are formal rules and behavior etiquette in place for male erections, but finding similar information for females is next to impossible. This is where the double standards come into play.

Once again, some people within the nudist community feel that penis and nipple erections are naturally occurring functions. Others connect penis erections to instant sexual arousal and potential danger, while trivializing similar female responses.

Feedback wanted about nudist erections and getting penis erections in public:

So now it’s your turn to share your thoughts. Do you feel that naturists need to loosen up in regards to male erections and become more tolerant of this “natural function” of the penis? Or should erections never be tolerated in a naturist / nudist environment?

An erection, even an involuntary one, is often a source of shame and embarrassment and stops some guys from even trying naturism. Should we alter the current erection etiquette so as to not promote body shame?

What do you say to guys who are afraid of getting an erection in a naturist setting?

This post about the “dreaded” Nudist Erection was published by – Young Naturists and Nudists America

References:

http://www.examiner.com/article/sexual-dysfunction-brought-on-by-societal-and-religious-constraints

http://www.abmp.com/textonlymags/article.php?article=629

http://www.nudist-resorts.org/talk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4539

http://the-naked-life.blogspot.com/2011/06/nudism-erections.html

http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/showthread.php?4185-Nudists-acceptance-of-erections

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/body/articles/lifecycle/teenagers/erections.shtml

http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-most-brutal-anti-masturbation-devices/robert-wabash?format=SLIDESHOW&page=7

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Jordan Blum is a lifelong nudie and co-founder of Young Naturists America.
  • xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx

    i quit going to naturist resorts after i hit 18 and started going to nude beaches and hot springs.

    my problem as a young teen nudist was keeping it down when adults were around and keeping it up when it was just us teens.
    all the teen girls just loved seeing us guys with erections and us boys liked the attention as they checked us out. even my sisters liked seeing my erection.
    since i knew i was bi as a young teen i found other bi teens just because they also liked seeing other guys with erections

  • Suraj Raj Naidu

    I visited a naturist resort a couple of months back after been wanting to go for years. The experience was amazing. But as soon as I undressed and walked towards the pool I got an erection. And this kept on happening every time I walked around naked although there were no sexual thoughts, I think it’s of getting used to a new place and environment.

  • joeblow55

    My boyfriend says he will have an erection if nude in public so he avoids it. Not shame and not sexual. How do you handle that line of thought?

    • I guess he has been misprogrammed. The best and most effective way to fix that is to break through the fear and just try it. There’s an undeniable truth to experiencing nudism first-hand that answers a lot of questions at once, then life can go on without all that baggage.

      • joeblow55

        Thanks. That was helpful. He says he’ll try it.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @JohnThomas1 So what you’re saying is that it’s okay to judge a book by it’s cover?
    I don’t advocate sexual flaunting at all, but I also don’t agree with your assumption that even an erection with “sexual” basis is a threat of safety. If a man sees something that his body reacts to, he may even have momentary sexual thoughts, but this doesn’t in any way imply that the people around him are not safe. That’s just daft.
    Judge him on his actions. If he’s staring, that would raise eyebrows regardless of penis state, and would be considered rude. Again, the erection is a completely separate issue to lewd behaviour.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @MichaelTrowbridge Well said.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @j238 No it’s not. Behaviour is the best indicator. An erection without lewd behaviour is normal and natural. Lewd behaviour, whether erect or flaccid, is the issue that should be addressed. Erections shouldn’t even come into the equation.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @JohnThomas1 If they were doing ring tosses over their extended arms, would this be drawing attention to their arms? Would the arm be getting unfair attention? By your own argument of treating every body part equally, you have contradicted yourself.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Lamdba Causing trauma to abuse victims… what a load of rubbish. I had a car accident when I was 5. Oh no, it’s terrible, I can never see a car again. Please make sure yours is closed up in the garage when I visit or I’ll be traumatised. Now, seriously, I’m not making light of abuse victims… I have personally counselled many such kids and teenagers, and I can promise you this is not a valid argument. I’m just trying to highlight how ridiculous this argument is. Abuse victims need counselling to get over what happened to them, and that includes making sure that they realise that sex can be healthy, loving and wholesome. If someone is afraid of the erect male penis, it’s exactly the same as getting over a fear of cars after a car accident. Don’t blame all cars or try to use this as justification for “hiding” cars. Seriously.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon Man, this is getting tiring. You just said yourself that a woman would take care of a period to avoid dripping blood all over. So unless an erection is dripping something, it’s okay, yes? No argument.
    “being allowed to walk around with erections would really send the wrong message” – that’s what people used to say about exposed breasts. Erections don’t send any messages. The perception is a problem in the eye, and mind, of the beholder. No argument.
    “The idea that men simply cannot control themselves sexually is one is still used as an excuse for rape and harassment.” – You’re talking about ACTIONS again. An erection is not an action and it is not necessarily sexual either. No argument.

    “Most nudist environments offer an environment where women can feel entirely safe.” – erections do not threaten safety, otherwise every woman who was not a virgin would possibly be dead because she had sex. No argument.

    “Some nudist men need to understand that if a woman does not want to have
    sex it does not mean she lacks body acceptance or is not sex positive,
    it means she’s just not into you.” – I agree completely and erections have nothing to do with this because it’s an issue of respect. Any normal man can have an erection without being a jerk. If he can’t, there’s something wrong with him, but that’s not a basis to judge all males. No argument.
    “Open erections would only make this situation worse.” – how exactly? Just because you “assume” that an erection is sexual and that its aimed at you. Sorry, but stop flattering yourself. If a gay man had an erection around you, how would this threaten you? Would you still be convinced that it was his lust for you that brought it on? It would be worse in your mind, but not in reality. No argument.
    Deal with the real issue that men have behaved badly towards you. That behaviour comes from the mind, not from the penis. Deal with them as individuals who have mental problems, and stop using that as an excuse for shaming erections. You really just don’t have a solid argument that holds up under any rational scrutiny.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon A period is messy. An erection isn’t. the ONLY reason you would stop for a period is because it involves bodily fluids. Yet again, no valid argument unless he starts ejaculating on the volleyball court. I’m amazed you keep trying to argue this when you can’t win.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon I have NEVER used a tissue to sneeze, and the only reason I would cover my mouth is to avoid spraying people with bodily fluids. So, by your same argument, a man’s penis shouldn’t need to be covered unless he is ejaculating. Thank you.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @JohnJr Very well said.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon I can fully appreciate the vulnerability that women might feel, especially those who have been victims. I know that being a man I cannot completely understand it, just as a woman cannot completely understand what it’s like to have a penis. However, it seems obvious to me that the real issue as far as this point is that women should be empowered mentally and physically to deal with the vulnerability which THEY feel. Don’t blame some innocent guy’s erection because you feel vulnerable. The real issue that requires concentration is making sure that women don’t feel threatened by something as natural and trivial as an erection. Learn how to defend yourself, and stand up for your right to safety… but stop claiming that an erection is a threat, because we both know it isn’t. The other issue is about addressing the respect that men have for women, and certainly any kind of lewd behaviour is wrong and unwarrented – BUT please address the behaviour and don’t punish every male for biological reactions that they can’t avoid. I believe wholeheartedly in women’s rights and their safety, but women also need to see that they can’t fault all men for the actions of a few. Erections aren’t the issue. Mutual respect is. Expect men to respect your rights, but by the same token, respect ours.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon Again, an erection does not threaten the safety of women. Men’s actions threaten their safety. Please see the difference and learn that they’re not the same thing. If you had a penis you would understand this.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon Fair enough, but then you’re passing judgement on all men based on a few, which obviously isn’t right. Secondly, at the risk of repeating myself, the real offence here was in them touching, following and harassing, regardless of whether they were flaccid or erect. I agree completely that their behaviour should not be tolerated in any way, but this doesn’t change any of my arguments. An erect penis has not committed a crime. The crime is in the action of doing something with it. Your real issue here was with what those men actually DID (action) not in how their bodies looked. Whether their penises were hard or soft is completely irrelevant.
    Furthermore, those actions could quite easily be carried out by a man with a soft penis, so you’ve only proved my point that erections have nothing whatsoever to do with lewd behaviour. The issue is to do with the man’s intent and actions, not the natural state of his penis or any other body part.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @briananthonykraemer Sorry, but this doesn’t hold water either. The whole “perceived aggression” thing is just an excuse. We’ve already seen the example of a sleeping man being woken up because he was erect, and I’ve already comment on how ridiculous it is to “perceive aggression” from a person in slumber! Likewise if it’s a young boy with an erection, does that make him aggressive in any way? No disrespect, but what a load of rubbish.
    Yes, women and men generally view the issue differently, but as I’ve said elsewhere, it boils down to gender discrimination in reverse. Sorry ladies, but men have rights too. I do find it amazing that some women have such strong opinions when they’ve never experienced an erection for themselves. I do also appreciate that much of your argument comes from a place of having respect for women and their wishes, but it doesn’t change the fact that being forced to hide an erection when no sexual action has been taken by the man, constitutes nothing less than discrimination and body shame. Or is this all really just about penis envy?

  • NathanZimmer1

    @briananthonykraemer Then the real issue should be how to dispel the tension, not cover the erection. If I was racist and felt tense because a black person was in view, is that my problem or theirs? Just because the presence of something causes tension or offence, it is wrong to assume that it is at fault. Perhaps the fault lies in the eye of the beholder?

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Karen4 The problem is one of principal. Yes, guys will normally hide it because they know that’s what is expected of them, same as “normal” people wear clothes because it is “expected”.
    The issue here is that the man is actually being “shamed” into hiding it – and some of you don’t seem to see a problem with that. Aren’t we totally against body shaming? Who are the REAL naturists? Just because men have always gone along with this “rule” that doesn’t make it right. Break it down into the most basic principals of naturism and tell me that YOU are not causing body shame by expecting men to cover themselves, even when they’ve done nothing wrong. If you cannot see the sense in this point, then you are nothing more than hypocrites. I’m afraid that most of the arguments here seem to come from the underlying fact that certain people can’t SEE an erection without thinking about sex – so who’s got the real problem here? Get your mind out of the gutter.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon I absolutely agree that nudism/naturism need to avoid becoming sexualised BUT my point stands that erections do not imply anything sexual on their own without accompanying actions. And that’s what this topic is really about. Your arguments “assume” that erections are always sexual, which is clearly not the case. As we have separated nudity from sex, so can we separate erections from sex, because there is no action involved.
    And by the way, a pervert could quite easily turn over and hide his erection while still ogling naked children. You can’t control people’s thoughts, so what are you actually achieving by hiding a non-sexual erection? Nothing.
    If an erection is used for anything sexual, then by all means, kick the guy out. But without an action, such as lewd behaviour, there is simply no wrongdoing.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @JohnThomas1 As for this:
    “Do you believe that nudity can be separate from sex? Are you able to do
    that in your own mind, or do you need to stay away until you’ve worked
    that out?”
    Your mistake here is that YOU and your archaic traditions are unable to differentiate an erection from sex. This is a problem in YOUR mind. An erection is not an action, and an action is required for anything sexual to occur. You’re looking at it the wrong way around. Do I believe that nudity can be separated from sex? Absolutely. I just take the same principal a step further because I also believe that an erection can be separated from sex. Again, sex is an act.
    Your mouth can perform oral sex. Should it be covered? Your hand can perform the act of masturbation. Should you wear gloves? The issue is with “action” not merely a state of being. As you said, use common sense to deal with the issue. Now please apply that same argument to yourself.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @JohnThomas1 As per my last comment above, you cannot compare erections to urinating or defecating. When last did you do either while watching TV on your couch? Of course you can control it, so they’re not the same thing at all. Therefore, the natural argument DOES work.
    I do agree entirely that we need to use common sense in differentiating sexual intent and action from purely innocent erections. And this is the problem, because you cannot apply fixed rules to something that requires any amount of discretion. However, you have made it quite clear that the problem lies with sexual intent, not with the erection. And this is the point that so many of us are trying to make. It is not the erection that’s the problem, it’s the intention. So what we should be doing is relaxing “rules” on erections, and concentrating on new rules that prohibit displays of sexual intent. We need to accept that an erection does not imply intent. Only intent implies intent.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon The real discussion on this thread is why should we have to do anything about it? If it’s part of nature, why should it be hidden? You can’t compare having an erection to urinating or defecating, because those are bodily functions that we CAN control. Unless you regularly defecate in your pants because you can’t control it? Do you?
    Since you just agreed that erections can’t always be controlled, you’re contradicting yourself. Stop basing your arguments on senseless “tradition” and start actually thinking before you talk. I mean this in the nicest way possible, because you’re making yourself look silly.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @Heather Avalon But you could, in theory, rape a man with a broomstick. Shall we all gasp, wail and cry when we see a broom? And then outlaw them all? The ability has nothing to do with the action of actually using that ability.
    A man has the ability to hit a woman with his hand. Does every woman perceive a threat when she sees a man’s hand? Should men wear gloves to “show” that they have no intention of hitting anyone? If not, then why should an erection be covered to “show” no intent of rape? No logic to this line of argument at all.
    While a woman might not be able to penetrate me with her breasts, she certainly has the ability to jiggle them in my face, which would be quite “offensive” to me – but would this give me the right to demand that she cover her breasts because I fear that she may assault me with them? Your argument comes from a position of gender discrimination against men.

    And are you aware that there have been many cases of females raping males? I recently read about a case where four women were tying up younger men and forcing them to become erect so that they could rape them. Please go cover your vagina because I’m nervous. The argument MUST work both ways to be logical, and yours is completely one-sided and ignorant.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @CheriAlexander1 Courtesy is most definitely important, but have you stopped to consider the damage people like you are doing to young boys who get erections? You’re telling them it’s shameful and needs to be hidden which goes against the most fundamental beliefs of embracing naturism. Or are you going to say that a child with an erection is a “pervert” who is acting “aggressively”? Nobody honestly cares how long you’ve been a nudist. Years of “service” don’t give you any rights to judge anybody. Yes, a naturist society is supposed to be courteous, but you’re only seeing your brainwashed views and you’re failing to realise that by shaming the male erection, you are actually the one being discourteous. Men have rights too.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @davepabian Well said!! Really, it’s about the self-righteous who are themselves incapable of seeing an erection without having sexual thoughts. What really offends them is that they can’t control their own dirty minds – the fault lies with them, not with the erection.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @CheriAlexander1 Yes, but the real issue, is why are people so uncomfortable to begin with? The first man deserved what he got, because his intent and actions were sexual. The second man was sleeping!!! Did people feel that he was having a sexual reaction to them? While he was SLEEPLING? Why should anyone have woken him up in the first place? The problem is with the people who “feel” uncomfortable, not with someone who was lying there with his eyes closed, doing nothing “aggressive” at all. How can a sleeping man’s erection be perceived as “aggression”? Can you not see how utterly ludicrous this argument is?

  • NathanZimmer1

    @CheriAlexander1 Hitler also wrote stuff. Does that make it true?

  • NathanZimmer1

    @CheriAlexander1 So are we saying that we are all born out of aggression, since each of our fathers was undoubtedly most likely erect at our conception? No, perceiving “aggression” makes no sense whatsoever unless you’ve been a victim of sexual abuse at a young age.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @briananthonykraemer Actually it is a very sound argument because a baby’s biology doesn’t fundamentally change in that area as he gets older. The biology is exactly the same, albeit more developed in an adult. The ability to produce sperm develops, but the ability to get an erection is biologically identical. How would you explain male tendencies to wake up with erections in the morning? Were they “thinking” sexual thoughts in their sleep? No, it’s your argument that’s “off”. Perhaps you’ve never experienced an erection without a sexual component and this is your only basis for argument? In actual fact, those who see erections as biologically normal don’t need to defend themselves. It’s the outdated argument that is a result of “moral” brainwashing needs the defence. Study the biology and you will find that natural erections ARE rational. What’s irrational is archaic traditions that shame natural biology based purely on false morals.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @bodyworks2010 Exactly, and well put. Until the erections stop though, other people should just deal with it, and not perpetuate the culture of shaming.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @JohnThomas1 Er… “displaying it inappropriately” – who defines what is appropriate? You? Based on the support shown on this page, you appear to hold the minority viewpoint here. Just a thought.
    And… “erections CAN indicate sexual desire…” – yes they can, and they can also happen without it. It’s wrong to walk around with an erection? Like other people think its wrong to expose your genitals? Please, please stop with the double standards and move with the times.
    Irrefutable Fact 1: erections are natural and do not indicate or imply any sexual action whatsoever. Masturbating or having sex would be actions. Having an erection is not. It’s just biology for crying out loud.
    Irrefutable Fact 2: naturism is about, as the name implies, embracing nature and all things natural.
    Need I say more? Really?

  • NathanZimmer1

    @boss1 Excactly! (applause!!!)

  • NathanZimmer1

    @davepabian Brilliantly, brilliantly written! Agree 100%.

  • NathanZimmer1

    @cheri_donna You say “not appropriate in a genuine nudist setting”. I think that should read “not appropriate in a traditional nudist setting”. I don’t think you have any right to pass judgement on who or what a genuine nudist is. Times are changing so the definition of “genuine” and “normal” will change too. Just because it’s tradition, that doesn’t make it right.

  • NathanZimmer1

    frenzyfirehouse Well said.

  • NathanZimmer1

    poenakaalvoet Excellent! That’s the way to do it. The shame should be on those who claim “offence”, not on things that are natural.

  • NathanZimmer1

    poenakaalvoet I absolutely agree with the way you’ve raised your son. On your point of “some people will get offended” I really and honestly think that, while you’re correct, it is high time we started to stand up for ourselves and what we believe in. I might be offended by an ugly person’s face, but does that give me the right to demand that they cover it? A major part of the naturist philosophy is that genitals are just another body part, so if I have to cover my natural erection then why shouldn’t someone be asked to cover their face? They’re both just human body parts.
    People who claim to be “offended” really aren’t naturists at all and I fail to see why we should keep giving in to their demands. When racial integration started to happen I bet lots of white folk were “offended” that other races could use the same facilities as them. What would have happened if society had tiptoed around them being “offended”? No… being offended is not an argument any more. If someone is offended they can look the other way.

  • NathanZimmer1

    Erections are a natural biological function. Forcing nudists to “cover up” is discrimination against something that is natural to every single male – let me emphasise that this is just gender discrimination in reverse. Really when you think about it, an erection is just a penis that is bigger and has changed shape slightly… so are us guys really expected to put up with people shaming us because our penis got bigger and sticks out? Then surely we can also complain about a nudist woman’s breasts being too big and sticking out too far? You can see the logic doesn’t work.
    Sex is a matter of intent and action, not a state of dress. An erection does not imply anything sexual whatsoever. As others have said, the real issue is about consent and respect. If a guy is going around thrusting his erection in people’s faces, that’s just disrespect and can’t be tolerated, in the same way that a woman intentionally bouncing her breasts in someone’s face wouldn’t be tolerated. The disrespect would still be present if his penis was flaccid, so the issue is not the erection – it is in the action.
    An erection in and of itself is not a crime and is completely natural. Forcing men/boys to cover erections goes against the very principals of self-acceptance. IT IS BODY SHAMING. The argument of “children might see” also doesn’t have any weight. When boys see males being shamed for getting erect, or when it happens to them, it makes them think that their penis is something to be ashamed of just because it’s reacting naturally, the way biology dictates. People have really got things the wrong way around.

  • NathanZimmer1

    FelicityJones JimOlsson No offence, but jumping to the argument of “it harms children” is just another product of society’s brainwashing. People say that because they feel they’re expected to say it, and they’ve been taught to say it, but if you stop to ask yourself “How does it harm children?”, you don’t really have sensible answer. People argue that children will be sexualised, but it’s actually quite the opposite; our current culture of trying to “protect” kids from things that are natural is what causes them to start keeping secrets and feel that they need to hide things from their parents as their own sexuality develops. It’s archaic and no other species does this. Rape, abuse, violence and other horrible things do indeed harm children, but seeing humans doing natural human things does not. Yes, it’s illegal and everyone is too afraid to confront the issue for fear of being labelled a pedophile, BUT that doesn’t change the truth. Looking at it purely from a psychological point of view, our current society that insists on hiding everything is entirely to blame for breeding more perverts and sexual deviants. The whole reason that people resort to rape is because they feel inferior and because their own sexuality is repressed. If we really want to save society, we need to stop the repression and start embracing natural human sexuality in every respect.

  • JimWV

    I think the number one rule at nudist events should be to use common sense and courtesy at all times. I have talked to many nudist women and young girls about the subject of male erections and exactly zero have said they would be offended if the man was polite. There is absolutely no reason to ask men to cover it with a towel as if it were something to be ashamed of. This foolish rule is the main reason that most nudist resorts consist of older men and their families and why we see very few teen boys there. I would hope that this group which caters to young people would lead the charge in changing nudists attitudes on this subject. Treat it as a perfectly natural action and it will go away quickly on its own. I would love to hear from other young men and women on this subject. My name is Jim and you may email me at tsbinfo2010@yahoo.com

  • JimOlsson

    FelicityJones Kids on farms see sex all the time, albeit cows and horses. Even interurban kids occasionally see dogs and cats doing the wild thing. Seeing humans having sex shouldn’t cause any more psychological harm than seeing critters doing it, UNLESS adults interpret it as harmful and then inculcate the youth with their dire nonsense. Greece, for centuries, thrived in an environment of pederasty, and was the dominant civilization of its day.  MANY “civilized” countries today tacitly approve of children as sex objects (illegal on the books, but overlooked as long as discretion is observed.)  A lot of children are raised in households where there is only one room, and if dad wants any, he has to get it in front of kids or when they’re gone. I have heard various second-hand accounts (sources I consider reliable) of people (Latino community / southern California) running continuous orgies in their homes where they also raise their children.  As more and more kids are taught sex education earlier and earlier in their grade school curricula, I’m predicting that sex will increasingly lose its taboo status.  You can see that already in the number of people who stream their sexual adventures on the internet for all to see.  You can see it in the diverse makeup of said encounters, MM, FF, MFF, or MMF, or what have you. You can see it in the mainstreaming of transgenderification.  Mind you, I’m not advocating the things I predict, it’s simply what I see coming down the pike.

  • JimOlsson I was with you until the “having sex in the park” bit. There is a big difference between public nude sunbathing and public sex. Simple nudity does not cause psychological harm to others, including kids, but the same cannot be said for overt sexual behavior. Sex requires consent and the maturity of a certain age, whether you are participating or simply viewing it. That is why it’s illegal in public and there are places specifically designated for open / public sex, for those who are into that sort of thing.

  • patsgna

    Just absolutely enjoy being naked as much time as possible,although not in front of others,but mostly on my own…
    In bed,I try to sleep completely naked,as the feeling is irresistible,but don’t actually manage to sleep well,either because of erections,or rubbing my nude body…
    Any advice on managing to sleep naked successfully?

  • vlaka1972

    It still happens to me from time to time.. I am not ashamed of my penis growing infront of everyone, and get fully erect. Happened to me… The sad part is the resorts you are asked to leave… So what if I fart ??

  • NudistPoet

    It isn’t just prepubescent boys. Even fetuses in the womb get erections.

  • NudistPoet

    poenakaalvoet Ha ha ha! What an awesome kid! Great story! He was right. It was “she” who was the perv. Even fetuses in the womb get erections.

  • vanguardjag

    poenakaalvoet Agree, way too much is made of something that is natural & healthy.  It is how you handle it, pun intended (simply dont)
    that should be the marker.  Even “seasoned” nudist men sometimes
    have erections (after all, even though one may hav been a nudist for
    a long time, we are still sexual beings at our core).  And while all this
    “seasoning” might be helpful in lessening the odds of a spontaneous
    erection occurring, it won’t preclude it entirely, if ur a normal, healthy
    male of almost any age. Sometimes the sheer sensuality of being in
    a nude environment can trigger the autonomic response that can lead
    to the poor old penis filling with blood.  I would hope that what Poen-
    akaalvoet said about nudists having understanding about erections is
    true for the most part.  Having to turn over, run jump into the pool, as
    well as the act of covering “it” up wth a towel, would only draw MORE
    attention to the situation (the “tenting” effect) so why shd one bother?

  • DaxDruckman

    mystiqmajor DaxDruckman  Sometimes ejaculation happens.  I was laying out in the sun and yes I fell asleep.  This happens sometimes to males.  I am not some perv and I did not do that on purpose either.  Again, I prove my point that people are really uptight of the male human body.  I do not stare at people and start masturbating.  People need to accept that men and boys sometimes have no control over what happens to their penis.  It’s part of the male human body.  Get over it and move on.

  • DaxDruckman

    poenakaalvoet  Awesome!!!  I really love the way you chose to raise your son.  Great to see that mother raises her son as a human and not some person that is afraid of what people think of human bodies.  We are all human, men, boys, women, girls.  Appreciate our bodies for what they are and what they do.  People should grow up and except that boys get erections.  Also, that happens to men and sometimes you have no control.  You should not have to hide an erection or be ashamed of that happening.  Great post and I am glad you have chosen to raise your son a nudist the right way.

  • poenakaalvoet

    Its just a common fact.When you come from a life of textile living and embrace naturism/nudism,the emotions initially are overwhelming,and the sudden sense of penis freedom ..air flow,environment,and people seeing you fully naked for the first time,and obviously seeing your most secret organ suddenly exposed to all,erections are bound to happen.It is okay…naturists understand fully,and that is no reason to shy away from naturism.After about the third time…erections do not happen.The secret is to mix with more naked people and societies to get used to being naked,and seeing others naked. As an old nudist,and having been a naturist all my life and having raised my son a nudist since a baby,and having been to many naturist camps and events,and having barbecues in the nude,the heat of the fire occasionally produces erections,sometimes a silly thing like a fly running across your penis or scrotum,a tickling towel or plant could also produce erections…and in the case of kids,a full bladder…its allright…no shame in erections.

  • poenakaalvoet

    look I am not perving,these are facts.if the odd erection does happen…deal with it wisely,no need to be shy…or justify it…but the truth is…some people will get offended,just cover it until it subsides or turn on your stomach.I never encouraged my son to cover up,as it is normal any way,especially if you are a teen,and because we had no issue with erections,we did not fuss about his or mine…and he was easy with it.When his friends came for a sleep ov er,he still slept in the nude,as did i,and it was unavoidable in the mornings.And when he and his friends often wrestled,and occasionally,not often,he would have an erection…not because of lust or arousal,but constant friction and contact…he just ignored it.At first his friends joked about it,but later just accepted it when it happened
    Once I was walking in a narrow path,and just spontaneously had an erection. Perhaps it was the tickling of the shrubs,and I faced an approaching couple ,and we had to pass in close quarters…I just politely stepped aside,and let them pass.I never encouraged covering up,neither flaunting it…its just natural.

  • poenakaalvoet

    I raised my son a nudist/naturist from a young age.And erections to him was no issue.He in particular loved watching divas wrestle,and we usually made a bed for him in front of the TV,and having raised my son a naturist,he would attend school barefoot(out of his choice) and when he came home after school,would get undressed and stay naked and even go and  play with his friends in the nude,or they would come over to us,and both of us were naked any way,so watching tv he was naked any way,and often developed erections.He had no issue,neither us as his parents.
    We went for a burger and soda when he turned 13 to a local coastal town,living at the beach ourselves.after the burger,he wanted to go for a swim…we had no swim wear with us,and being christmas holiday,the beach was packed.He insisted he wanted to go for a swim,and having reminded him we had no swim wear for him,en said it was no issue,he would swim in the nude.I agreed then,and let him undress and go for the swim.After the swim,he sat in the sun to dry out,and developed an erection.One woman confronted him on it stating it was disgusting.I wanted to defend him,but he looked her in the eye and said…”I am a boy,I have a penis,and I am a teenager…our penises do erect,as it should…You have no right looking there…have no right to approach me,and you have no business looking there.That makes you disgusting,a voyeur and a perv…and in case you don’t know…penises do that,so go perv somewhere else…it doesn’t bother me,so it shouldn’t bother you”
    Well all she did was stomp off…and he was applauded by the beach…which was a total textile beach!we had no issue with erections,he saw me in the mornings,as I sleep naked,and he slept naked as well,and often came to our room to sleep in with us,and his erections were very visible,but we had no issue.Its a normal reaction…

  • naked26

    DaxDruckman
    may i ask what is the nude resort that you had the erection

  • naked26

    DaxDruckman
    may i aks what nude resort you went that you had a erection were there totally fine with it

  • frenzyfirehouse

    mystiqmajor DaxDruckman Ejaculation is in the brain. What do you think wet dreams are? It does indeed sometimes happen without any manual stimulation.

  • vanguardjag

    @CheriAlexander1 I’m sure that would
    break Daves’ heart, along with a lot of the rest of us, lol. (not),  You apparently rep- resent that segment of the nudist move-
    ment I would refer to as “the smug, self
    appointed thought poiice”‘, whereas I wd.
    consider Dave’s outlook to be more in th
    middle of the road. The other extreme is
    those who would argue walking around w,
    an erection (parading?) anytime is OK. I
    think both extremes are detrimental 2 the
    health & enjoyment of social nudism.

  • DaxDruckman

    Great topic.  I am a nudist and I am a male also.  I have had an erection at a nudist resort.  Not a big deal and it is natural to have an erection.  Part of being male and should not be looked down on.  Humans are sexual beings and that is a fact.  We have sex organs and should not be afraid to show them and sometimes things can arise.  I personally had an erection and nobody said anything at this resort.  And yes I also did ejaculate, but again it is part of being human.  Nudists should not have a problem with being sexual.  I see nothing wrong with having an erection and you should not have to cover it with a towel or hide it.  Just my opinion and be proud to be a male (Human).

  • annaliddell

    @JohnThomas1 
    This is really a non-issue for people who have been to nudist venues.  Erections rarely happen.  I think telling men to just cover it with the towel is sufficient in the way they tell you about how you can use your seat as a floatation device in case of a water landing.

    The man would go knowing that there’s is a easy answer for the problem if it should occur, but then once they go they will realize what a non-issue it really is.

  • annaliddell

    @EstellaDavis 
    Nudism has historically been for the older generations. Certainly young people have participated and are always welcome but most people get involved in their older years.
    I know this is an young naturalist blog and I am certainly not saying young people should be excluded but the idea that WE MUST get young people involved hasn’t been shown to be historically accurate.  Even in the 1970s they were talking about the need to get young people involved as essential to nudism’s survival and here we are 40 years later talking about the same thing.

  • cheri_donna

    That is the most asked question from those males who want to experience nudism for themselves. It is very understandable when trying something new for the first time to be anxious be it driving a new car, sky diving or visiting a nudist venue. The anxiety itself will generally prevent any embarrassment (medically speaking).
    It rarely happens, but since bare etiquette demands you sit on your own towel, cover up, roll over, go for a swim. Yes, it`s natural, but it`s not appropriate in a genuine nudist setting. It can and does offend others. There are other natural functions as well that I don`t want to witness in a nudist setting

    It my 40+ years of being a nudist, I`ve witnessed an erection only twice at a nudist park. One man was parading around with it, he was quickly escorted off the grounds. The second time, a fellow was napping. Someone tapped his shoulder, and the fellow turned over. The more often you are nude, the more comfortable you will be.

  • What happens if I get an erection? This is a very common question from
    those new to social nudity but frankly it rarely happens. But if does, then no
    problem. Everyone around you will start pointing and laughing at you until some
    mesomorph/homophobe thinks he sees you looking at his girlfriend/self and beats
    you to a pulp. After this happens a number of times you get conditioned to go
    limp at the sight of a naked body. So as you can see, it isn’t really anything
    to worry about it. :)

  • leejason021

    how does an erection indicate a subconscious sexual connotation?

  • cheri_donna

    Konata888  The more a person is nude, at home, beach or nudist venue, the less often any problems will surface.

  • tsavopoulos69

    nice topic. i’ve always wanted to try nudism, but thought better not to because of the erection issue. dont want to offend anyone. i view the female anatomy as fine art but sometimes the bottom head just does its own thing no matter what the top head does.

  • davepabian

    RobertEbersold NotanlinesGuy  “I had to concentrate on my drawing… to make sure an erection didn’t happen!” – so what happens naturally when you’re clothed isn’t allowed to happen when you’re naked. This needing to prove one’s a good little rule-follower is bad enough, but the real problem is the fundamental dishonesty of “approved” ghettoized naturist venues where basic human naturalness is fascistically controlled.  No one but no one has any right to tell anyone else to “lose that erection or else!”- Such snarky puritan boner police need to be told, Sorry, it’s my body and my basic human instinct, it’s most likely not inspired by you, and so you have nothing to do with it.

  • RobertEbersold

    NotanlinesGuyLast month I was at an artist gathering at a private farm. Several people I’ve never met, male and female, old and young, two of which were young, very beautiful girls. All of were naked, and all of us took turns posing for the others to paint or draw. It was fun, we had good conversation, and good artistic practice. I will admit there were a few times where I had to concentrate on my drawing and relax my groin muscles to make sure an erection didn’t happen! However, after an hour or so, it wasn’t the nudity that mattered, it was the people and the art. Once you ‘forget’ that you are naked, you can get on with the regular activities. By the time to clean up for lunch, we didn’t want to put clothes back on! (But we did, out of respect for the other artists who did not join us in the naked area.)

  • bodyworks2010

    Sound like a great time, I would love to have been there…

  • RobertEbersold

    NotanlinesGuy JohnThomas1 Heather Avalon Last month I was at an artist gathering at a private farm. Several people I’ve never met, male and female, old and young, two of which were young, very beautiful girls. All of were naked, and all of us took turns posing for the others to paint or draw. It was fun, we had good conversation, and good artistic practice. I will admit there were a few times where I had to concentrate on my drawing and relax my groin muscles to make sure an erection didn’t happen! However, after an hour or so, it wasn’t the nudity that mattered, it was the people and the art. Once you ‘forget’ that you are naked, you can get on with the regular activities. By the time to clean up for lunch, we didn’t want to put clothes back on! (But we did, out of respect for the other artists who did not join us in the naked area.)

  • bodyworks2010

    Well said…another truth, amazing!
    It is truly stunning that anyone would be so ignorant as to think such twisted ideas were facts, and even more absurd that anyone would have ever posted such.
    Maybe a few will actually see the truth in what you said here.

    • davepabian

      bodyworks2010 Thanks buddy!  I appreciate all your comments.  Please feel free to email me at fegsnuyk@sharklasers.com – Hope to hear from you!

  • bodyworks2010

    Very well stated. The truth, for once, thanks.

  • davepabian

    It’s an interesting article, but the tone seems a little too “careful,” as if not wanting to offend some imagined person or group with basic human facts.  Even the second paragraph contains a dodge with the line about pre-pubescent boys experiencing “occasional hardening of the penis,” instead of just writing that they get erections.  I remember as a pre-pubescent boy getting lots of erections and most if not all of them were the result of some sort of sexual stimulation (whatever that might constitute for an 8-year-old boy).  The sentimental feminist-driven myth that children don’t experience sexual thoughts is one of the biggest lies we pretend to.  I can’t speak for girls (except for one 10-year-old I knew as a child), but I sure know what we boys talked about, even though we really didn’t know what we were talking about.  And I don’t think my elementary school was an island of precocious sexuality with the rest of the country experiencing the untroubled nirvana of pure childhood innocence.
    As for nudism, I like how a friend expresses it – current established social nudism is mostly about not really being naked.  Men get erections often for any number of reasons (the warm sun, a sensuous breeze, even sometimes a bumpy ride in a vehicle), but somehow when it’s at a nudist venue it becomes something in another category with all sorts of stupid pejorative admonitions about it.  Many social settings have a sexual component and nudist settings are no exception, but nudists sometimes, often understandably, go to extremes denying sexuality because they’re too often perceived as being ONLY about sexuality, which is also crazy.
    In our politically correct, post-psychobabble world, everyone’s on the defensive about not offending someone.  Those who self-righteously pronounce erections as potentially damaging to a victim of a sexual crime seem to me to be suffering from the displaced sentimentality that the worst thing that anyone can experience has to be related to sexuality, thereby offensively trivializing real trauma, like seeing one’s parents murdered, or experiencing hideous physical pain or dismemberment, or being kept in a box for 20 years.  But the sight of a penis, even a hard one, even one being masturbated, causes irreparable harm?  Get real.  The harm comes from a society hammering away at the lie that sexual acts have more damage-potential than anything else and the peculiar American penchant for publicly basking in the sacred spotlight of Victimhood.  No one suggests that some book or movie about a serial killer should be banned because it might trigger bad memories in a survivor or survivor’s family, or that I shouldn’t be allowed at a nudist venue because the sight of my circumcised penis might trigger sadness in some neo-nazi that the reich didn’t last 1000 years, or that my being bald might remind someone of their violent alcoholic Uncle Carl.  All right, I’ve overplayed this argument, but the damaged inner child defense is one of the stupidest aspects of our maudlin cultural degeneracy.
    Some of the comments here ask in downright challenging tones if getting an erection for being naked proves a subconscious sexual connotation.  So what if it does?  There’s no thought behind the accusation, just an offensively aggressive pose of standing on some moral high-ground.  There’s nothing more offensive than puritanical accusatory thought police.
    I’m not advocating marching around to show off an erect penis, but just having one?  Who cares.  And no one should feel compelled or pressured to hide it.  The idea that being human should be kept a secret except in certain accepted ghettos of behavior is pretty insane.
    But that’s true of nudity also.  I advocate for the freedom of being naked anywhere anytime because being naked is just being one’s self.  Concealing that self with reconstituted animals, plants and plastic is taking an action, making a statement, asserting one’s position in life, and totally unnatural.

  • EstellaDavis

    I BELIEVE THAT NUDIST COLONIES SHOULD REGULATE LIKE AARP.  IN OTHER WORDS, WAIT ON IT.  THE WORTH IS IN THE WAIT.  THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE NON SEXUAL BASIS OF THE GROUP.  I THINK OVER EMPHASIZING YOUTH OR YOUNG WOULD BE SELF DEFEATING AND UNFAIR TO THE YOUTH TO HAVE THEM DENY THEIR SEXUALITY WHILE THEY ARE YOUNG.  THE MEMBERSHIP MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING A DECLINE BECAUSE OF THE COMING OUT OF SO MANY GAYS OR SAME SEX INDIVIDUALS AND COUPLES.

    • CheriAlexander1

      EstellaDavis  Please take off your CAPS lock.  Online that’s the equivalent to SCREAMING.  Thank you.  Among the nudist populations are also Gay and Bi individuals who are welcome to nudist venues since overt sexuality is not there.

  • boss1

    Great article. Very informative and thorough. Some of the arguments against accepting an erection seem like the same arguments against nudism.
    I would also venture to guess that it would be good to accept all penis states erection so people understand how they work. An erection doesn’t mean I’m going to attack anyone anymore than being nude does.
    I’m not ashamed of my penis. I’m proud of my penis.

    • CheriAlexander1

      boss1  Overt sexuality has closed a number of nudist venues.

    • JohnThomas1

      boss1 “Accept all erections so people see how they work”?? Oh please. 
      Nobody is saying men should be ashamed of their penises. But there is a huge difference between having pride in it and displaying it inappropriately. Since erections can indicate sexual desire and make others feel like they are being looked at for sexual reasons – something they want to get away from at nudist places – it is wrong to walk around with an erection.

  • bodyworks2010

    Im fair sure if we took an accurate survey of men and boys, we would see clearly that for most if not all nonnudist raised mails, the bodies first and inviluntary responce to the mind experiencing being fully nude in public, even if no one is nearby, is an almost immediate full erection. This responce will disipate and not often occur after several experiences of getting nude in public…

  • garyfpatton

    Mostly a good article, Jordan. I wold have preferred to see some references for the author’s undocumented comments about all those so-called non-natural  reasons for erections. I got nervous about his opinions when he refers to Augustine’s heyday in the early 5th Century as a time when “the seeds of Western http://nudistnaturistamerica.org/christianity-and-nudism were in their infant stages”.
    The seeds of Catholic theology were being sown by Bishop Augistine in North Africa then, yes! But the roots of true Jesus Following had been clearly laid down in generally-accepted and taught Gospels and letters 400 years before.
    In my experience, I’d argue that the chemicals have to surge in the conscious or
    subconscious mid before the blood boils in the groin. I’d suggest male
    concerns are really about their lack of self-control around the issue of
    natural nudity.

  • Konata888

    The first time I went to a nudist beach I spent several hours covering my penis with a towel because as soon as I removed it I’d get an erection. I hadn’t had any sexual thoughts and wasn’t attracted to anyone on the beach (there was only 2 or 3 people there most of the time), so it was purely a response to being naked in sight of other people.
    Eventually I was able to resist erection for longer periods by distracting myself from my own nudity through visualising scenes from my favourite action movies. Still, it seemed strange to be carrying a towel everywhere I walked in case of erection.

    • MALCOLMSEEKEE

      Konata888 I have exactly the same problem,  which is why I will never be joining a closed nudist club,  the first time I went to casuarina nudist beach I isolated my self and only go from my towel to the ocean and back again only, and still do.

    • Heather Avalon

      Konata888 I’m not a guy, but it seems to me that if the act of being naked in the sight of other people causes you to get an erection there must be some  subconscious sexual connotation to social nudity for you, no?

      • Konata888

        Heather Avalon Konata888 It’s hard to know what’s going on in my subconscious. I certainly felt very nervous and self-conscious as I had not even been seen naked by another person since I was a child.

        Society taught me from a young age that clothing was a must in any public area, so I felt somewhat like a deviant as I undressed and my emotions (mainly fear, but also excitement at breaking the pyschological barrier) were running strong. It’s rare for me to have that combination of emotions, perhaps my brain subconsciously associated them with the feeling of arousal.

        • j238

          Konata888 Heather Avalon Thanks for sharing all that.  Hopefully, you took steps to keep it hidden at the time.
          And if no one has seen you naked since childhood, even in private, that’s another issue.

        • Konata888

          j238 My history of being clothed is not an issue or even unusual, I was just explaining why I felt so afraid about being naked. Also, it’s very true that many people avoid nudism because they are ashamed of their erections. I didn’t give up because I had a strong determination to make being nude something I could enjoy.

        • j238

          Konata888 The fact that no one had seen you naked before was worthy of a mention by you.  
          If you were over, let’s say, 22 at the time, that is unusual.

        • Konata888

          j238 I was under 22

  • elibeiler

    An erection isn’t always sexual, therefore it should be tolerated. usually the one that gets uncomfortable arousements is the one to deal with.

    • briananthonykraemer

      elibeiler Something’s definitely off with this logic. Unfortunately, I’m not smart enough to think of a great example of why this is off, but I know it’s off. What I know is that an erection usually IS sexual and therefore if one is present in a community where open sexual behavior is not wanted, then that erection should be hidden. A flaccid penis is not sexual, but an erect one IS in the same way that a disengaged brain is not bright, but a working one IS.

      • MALCOLMSEEKEE

        So what you are trying to say, is that every new born, male, baby that has it’s nappy changed for the first time, that urinates with a erection is sexual, despite that he has no knowledge and interest in sex or nudity.

        • briananthonykraemer

          MALCOLMSEEKEE You’re not a newborn male baby getting his nappy changed for the first time, so don’t use this as an argument for why your adult erection isn’t sexual. If you’ve got some good rational explanations, use them. I’m totally open to logical explanations of anything, but “baby nappy” examples aren’t explanations for adult erections.

      • elibeiler

        briananthonykraemer elibeiler I didn’t say never, it sometimes is, but not always. Sometimes, I get an erection with no sexual drive at all.

      • CheriAlexander1

        briananthonykraemer elibeiler  An erect penis is usually perceived as a sign of aggression to most.  The more often you are nude, the less chance of that happening

        • davepabian

          CheriAlexander1 briananthonykraemer elibeiler I have no idea of what world anyone is living in or would want to live in where an erection is “usually perceived as a sign of aggression.”  This is un-thinking feminist cant, hypocritically pious and totally untrue.  Anyone who would claim to think of a man’s erection as aggressive is someone who has to be barely conscious of reality and chooses instead to live by specious academic theories that have no relevance to anyone’s actual life or experience.  The fact is, what someone thinks of my erection or any other part of my body in any situation is irrelevant to me, as I’m not interested in being confronted with the fascist little worlds of smug puritans that so many want to live in (witness a good amount of the comments here).  Anyone who sees an erect penis as a sign of aggression is astoundingly stupid and had better switch over to women if they’re so ignorant, terrified and resentful of men.  I don’t know if Cheri herself thinks this of erections, but to even report the “fact” as a serious concern shows at best a laziness in rational examination of the issue.

        • CheriAlexander1

          davepabian CheriAlexander1 briananthonykraemer elibeiler  The sociology texts in which the erection being a sign of aggression is written by a well-known MALE Sociology professor at a well-known University

        • CheriAlexander1

          davepabian briananthonykraemer elibeiler additionally, you seem to not care about those around you.   I’ve only witnessed an erection twice at a nudist venue over the 45 of my 65 years of being a nudist.  Once the man was flaunting it, and he was escorted off grounds. The 2nd time the fellow was napping, someone tapped him on the shoulder, and he turned over on his stomach.  The latter was offering to make those around him more comfortable.

        • davepabian

          CheriAlexander1 davepabian briananthonykraemer elibeiler Both male and female employees of universities (not to mention their sadly malleable students) are notoriously prone to be susceptible to fashionable postmodern misinformation (to use a word of extreme understatement).

        • davepabian

          CheriAlexander1 davepabian briananthonykraemer elibeiler Someone tapped him on the shoulder.  How nice of you to be pleased that the nudist boner police were in action – and how warm and toasty and self-satisfied the little nudist neighborhood watch guy must have felt in making a seriously aggressive display for those around him to admire how diligently he was monitoring things for their “comfort.”  This idea of not wanting people to be uncomfortable goes back to my first comment – where to draw the line; you can’t because there is none.  The disfigured person, the old person, the man, the woman, the post-mastectomy, the homosexual, the straight guy, can all make someone somewhere “uncomfortable,” and what constitutes comfortzone acceptability changes all the time.  In 1933 Germany finding a Jew sitting next to you (I’m using the generic collective ‘you’ of course) would make you uncomfortable and you’d be allowed to self-righteously announce it to great social approval.  An African-American at a nudist club in 1960 Alabama… get off these grounds and never come back, everyone’s uncomfortable with you here!  I’m not interested in making sure no one’s uncomfortable in my presence, and it’s not because I aggressively exhibit offensive behavior.  It’s because I know there’s always someone who experiences ego-pleasure by demonstrating to others his/her precious sensitivity by aggressively demanding their private comfortzone, and the completely subjectively imagined one of others nearby, be respected.  Sorry, I do not respect smug, puritan, group-think fascists.

        • CheriAlexander1

          davepabian CheriAlexander1 briananthonykraemer elibeiler   Dave, your profile is not filled out.  Are you actually a nudist?  What is your age? How long have you been one and how many nudist venues have you visited???   There are no nudist police.  It was the club’s owner who tapped him on the shoulder while he was napping.  Courtesy is important in any society.  I do not wish to see things that should be private in public.  It can scare off a new nudist, female nudist or child.  I’ve been a nudist for over 45 of my 65 years.  I appreciate being in a non-sexual nudist venue rather than a location where any behaviour is tolerated.  I will not respond to you again.

  • Hi Jordan,
    I would be grateful for your comments or the comments of your readers.
    http://naturism-nudism-fiction-boys-research.blogspot.co.uk/
    dalmatianjones@gmail.com
    Regards, 
    JCP

  • briananthonykraemer

    I think the most obvious thing about this thread is that
    everyone seems to enjoy discussing erections. This is one of the longest
    threads I’ve read and I notice that each person is quite firm and even, I dare
    say, stiff in her or his opinion. I hope talking about it will ease some of the
    tension surrounding the issue.Every man
    that commented here should ask himself, “Would he have said the same thing if
    he were a woman?”
    I remember once I was at a naturist camp in mid-winter with
    no source of heat but fire. Some friends of mine and I were gathering the
    morning wood when this subject came up. My friend, Eric, who was always the
    early morning riser and admittedly rather chubby, thought erections were no big
    deal, but our Asian friend, Wang, didn’t agree, especially since several of the
    guys had rejected the more private cabins and had decided to pitch a tent in
    the front yard. That morning we cooked our meat in a cast iron pan and Rodney
    burned his hands on the pan handle.
    One good thing (and I’ll end with this) even though we had
    gathered so much wood that morning we had trouble getting it up the hill, we proved
    true the saying, “the early bird gets the worm.”

  • bodyworks2010

    Chet, you are on target, almost, but j238 has issues. also, it is not the prefix as much as it is the sufix, SEXUAL…these people cant seem to form a nornal human vission of sexuallit, hetero or homo, and cant there for make rational dacisions in their operarions, or reak lfe. these peopl, selfproclamed rules of nudism, have no understanding of the millions of real nudists world wide. They dont even understand basic makketing philosiphy, let alone human relations, they live in their selfcreated false worlds, while million enjiy be nudist and living nudist with out any thought of them or their pseudobusinesses

  • bodyworks2010

    The organized nudism, business, psudobusiness, establishment is as bad as the organized religions. These few people and vroups act, speek, and pertand that they speak for, rule over, and control nudism, as thiugh it is was they trademaked inventions. More of these,people, and their facilities are jokes, most are selfrightous, nudist gods of their own little pseudobusinesses.
    I am a lifelong true nudist, I enjoy being nude, doing activities and social events nude, being seen by anyone and, even better, by everyone on the planet fully nude and exposed. Why, because being nudist means that I beleive: The Fit, Fully Nuxe, Fully Expised, Human Forrm is the True Art Forn, and I strive to keep my body deseeving of that beleif. Treu, real nudists dont give a damm what these bachward zeletts of their own little facilities think or do. If they want to continue with their stupidity, than Nudism and real nudists have no need of them or their under fund, poorly run facilities.

    • j238

      bodyworks2010 You like yourself.

      • bodyworks2010

        Yes, it is only healthy, but since You seem to want to attack me instead of address isues, it seem clear that you dont lime yourself much.

      • bodyworks2010

        So, are you a facility owner? or such?

        • j238

          bodyworks2010 
          No.  
          Just someone who noticed an unusually high number of first-person references. 
          Presumably, you’re under 25.

        • bodyworks2010

          Well your ignorance and inflated ego are showing. You may have issues, but they are not part of this discourse, so enjoy youself, not many others
          care about you petty attacks.

        • j238

          bodyworks2010 Sorry about the 25 crack.  I just looked at your profile.
          I get it now.  You and your wife and kids are all pure and true nudists.  Everyone stays in great shape and never misses an opportunity to get naked! 
          Your family, friends, and co-workers all know you’re nudists and they’ve never once smirked about it.  A few of them have joined your family for a great day at the beach.  
          When you do patronize a private nude venue, it’s only one that adheres to a strict “never discriminate” policy.  Gay males, single males always as welcome as everyone else. 
          Hats off to the true nudist!

        • bodyworks2010

          j238
          both your level of ignorance and your very low selfestem are truely quit .stunning.

  • itoure101

    Sounds like a good Seinfeld episode w George and Kramer as nudist newbies!   :-)

  • NotanlinesGuy

    I think the answer is simple, to me.  Erections can be involuntary or caused by ones thoughts.  So if a male has an erection, and he casually makes it less visible by any number of means such as a towel, lifting his knees if on a pool recliner, getting into the pool, etc, then it should be no concern.  If he obviously parades it around then he should be asked to leave. Simple, cut and dried.
    Then main thing I would say is we need to not act like erections in and of themself are an indicator of sexual thoughts, nor should a person who has this happen be made to feel like he did something wrong, if he takes appropriate measures to make it less visible.
    I’ve had it happen to me when getting a massage and it was terribly embarrassing because nothing I could think of made it go away right away.  It can be involuntary.  Mind you I was draped and the therapist couldn’t see it, and it came out of nowhere so I Did Not cause it and had no control.  We just ignored it and the massage went on as normal and it quickly subsided.
    The one issue I have here is the constant comparison to other ‘natural’ body functions such as periods or having to use the bathroom.  Those functions are a sanitary issue and I can control when I go pee.  So they are really different.  But if an erection happens involuntarily, I would have no control.  As I’ve stated before it never has and probably wont, especially since Im 52, but younger men have that happen more often. 
    The question should not be about whether someone ‘wants’ to see it or not, the question is acceptance of the human body in it’s entirety.  Meaning if a womans nipples get hard we don’t ostracize her, or if she’s breastfeeding openly in a nudist environment, it’s life.  I also support womens right to breastfeed in public and read all the time about people who ‘don’t want to see that’, so there are nudists who don’t want to see it either.  But it’s part of life and wonderful.  A mans erection can be natural also, but it is often (not always) a sign of sexual arousal so I do agree a man should casually make his erection less visible.  Just don’t go running for cover like you’ve done something wrong.

    • Heather Avalon

      NotanlinesGuy Exactly. And making it less visible is exactly the same as how we deal with other natural body functions that we don’t share with the public (nude or not). You can’t control that it happens, but you can control what you do about it.

      • JohnThomas1

        Heather Avalon NotanlinesGuy We often can’t control the onset of an erection, but we can usually control how far it gets. Think of something unpleasant, or clear the mind completely. The bathroom comparison is valid, because while we can’t control the urge to go, we control when and where to go. The comparison that does not work is with women’s nipples. As someone pointed out below, they are not sexual organs. And men’s nipples can get hard too, which is a non-issue, again because they’re not sex organs. I think anyone objecting to breastfeeding is confused about breasts being sex organs.

        • NotanlinesGuy

          JohnThomas1 Heather Avalon NotanlinesGuy  
          The reason I mentioned nipples or breastfeeding is because of the point that some state ‘I don’t want to see …. whatever’, in this case an erection.  And it should not be about what one individual ‘Wants to see’, it’s about what’s appropriate.  My point was that we all have things we ‘Don’t want to see’ but part of being a nudist is acceptance of the human body.
          So it’s about what’s acceptable in the nudist community, not about what each person ‘wants to see’.
          And your thought of controlling an erection that starts is bogus.  I tried like mad and thought of paying bills, working, etc when I was getting the massage and noticed the erection starting, and it happened anyway.  So there is no control although if you can ignore it, it goes away much faster.  Now I’m on blood pressure meds that create the opposite problem and without the little blue pill it sometimes doesn’t work No Matter How Much I Want it Too.  Erections are “Mostly” involuntary.  The only control we have, and it’s tiny, is if we think sexual thoughts we might get an erection, but we can’t make it just go away.  I’ve even had times at home where I had one for an hour and could not make it go away, which was painful and annoying, so, no, you can’t will it away.

        • Heather Avalon

          NotanlinesGuy  JohnThomas1 
          Understood – I was probably reacting with ire to the statements made in the original blog post about nipples, rather than your statements. I apologize.

        • Heather Avalon

          NotanlinesGuy JohnThomas1But you can cover it up, which is a signal that you are not planning to be aggressive with it. Sorry, the comparison between nipples and penises is absurd. I can’t rape you with my nipples.

        • NotanlinesGuy

          Heather Avalon NotanlinesGuy JohnThomas1  
          Guess you aren’t reading my posts completely.  I said the comparison was only for the statement others have made of “I don’t want to see an erect penis”.  It’s not about what each of us wants to see, it’s about what’s appropriate.  And no, a penis and a nipple are not the same, one is a sexual organ, the other is not.  Read my statement in the context it was made please.

        • JohnThomas1

          NotanlinesGuy JohnThomas1 Heather Avalon Your experience with control may be different, but that alone does not make the idea of controlling an erection bogus for everyone. But I do agree that the nudist community as a whole decides what is appropriate, not just some individuals. That’s why it’s important to let people know what the nudist community is talking about, and what it has decided is acceptable or not.

        • WilburRichards

          i love being nude

  • JohnThomas1

    We need to use common sense when dealing with erections. Yes, they are often natural and involuntary. But they can also indicate that a person is looking for sex, not nudism. And since we often do not know a person’s reason for having an erection, we have to look at their overall behavior before deciding how to deal with them. Are they showing off, stimulating themselves, etc? 
    I think that if a man has an erection and does not conceal it until it goes away, his reason for being in a nudist setting is suspicious to say the least. Going to the bathroom is a natural bodily function too, but we don’t do that in public either. So the ‘natural function’ argument does not work. 

    We need to watch out for sexual behavior in nudist settings, not only because the outside world disapproves, but because we need to protect nudism itself. There are many people who would love to have an excuse to walk around with erections because they want to turn nudism into something sexual. Apparently they don’t know about swinger joints where you can already do that. We have about a 100 year tradition of organized social nudism in the US, and we should not give that up. 
    Here’s what I want to ask anyone who thinks erections are okay in nudist settings: Have you ever read any books, articles or nudist publications that talk about our values? Do you believe that nudity can be separate from sex? Are you able to do that in your own mind, or do you need to stay away until you’ve worked that out?

    • Heather Avalon

      JohnThomas1 Bravo!

  • bodyworks2010

    Well more of the same. It is natural for erections to occur. It seems that most true nudists will say either they have seen one or two, or, never have seen an occurance. This issue is truely a NONissue.
    But, there is an issue, a major issue, and it seem most people are just too ckicken, nieve, or brain washed to ever discuss it, let alone try to address it. This issue is: the fact that organized religions have always vilified all things human, normal, pleaseurable, beautiful. They do this for one reason, and one reason only, to provide guilt mechanismsthey use to attempt to enslave the human race, mind and body, so they and thier evil can rule the planet and the human race for eternity.
    Many old societies and most old religions actually celibrated the human forms, all formsincluding the male erection, and above all heterosexual intercourse.
    Yes there are issues of children and others, but for the most part, even these issues would not be so if people everwhere started to celibrate and teach the beauty, normality, and needs for all human forms and sexual activities, and teach approprateness, limits, etc to their own children, and ignor the dogma of those whom wish to enslave humanity.

    • Heather Avalon

      bodyworks2010 I love going to adult Pagan festivals and having the opportunity to explore sex magick, as you describe. In fact, these events are the primary source material I use to inspire the novels I write.
      But what place has this in nudism?
      And, to be clear, these sorts of events are held by members of “organized religions,” just not monotheistic ones.
      While your historical premise is correct, you clearly don’t know much about modern Paganism or nudism.
      There are many places and events that exist for the kind of exploration and worship you describe. But that doesn’t mean it’s appropriate for nudism.
      Because some Pagans practice skyclad there is certainly a cross-over between the Pagan community and the nudist community, and that’s great. I am a member of both.  But when it comes to sex rituals, they have a place, and it’s not at your local nudist resort or beach.
      Yes, it would be nice if it were a different world, but it’s not. Nudism exists within the confines of our greater society. We need to be realistic about that and recognize two things.
      First, as we incorporate sexual activity we lose the legal status of “mere nudity” and can lose our ability to practice family nudism.
      Second, nudist venues already attract a lot of the wrong people. Most resorts do a decent job of figuring out who those people are and getting them off-grounds before they can hurt anyone.
      But the last thing we need is to attract even more of that type of person to our family campgrounds. We already have enough old men trying to get young girls  and swingers looking for fresh meat. we don’t need more of that. A more sexualized program and etiquette would certainly attract more of those sorts of people.

      • bodyworks2010

        since I replyed to you in a message, Ill give short reply here. For a,writter, yiu dont seem to be as very proficiant reader. I made ne referenc as to what shoulld be acceptable, I stated the underling issues. I did not decrribe any rituals. Also, PAGAN simply mean peasant, the term has been and is applied by many, ti many, usually in complete utter ignorance. And, even today, there are many, many, brands or forms, or beleif systems, all self named as PAGAN. Your personal Brand, ir any otber has nothing to do with my points, or current djscorse.

        • bodyworks2010

          My use of organized rekigion was exactly that, as you thought, which ofcourse doesnot include PAGAN nonabahamic, world domination, ones. So, I was pointing out the nonpagan dogma as the,route of this issue, but it is also the route cause of the vast majority of human suffering, all the wat back to the time of Enoch…The human form and nkrmal human biology is not evil, bad, wrong; it is the greatest gift of the known universe and should be taught, by each parent, to each child, as such, with full depth of knowledge and understanding, it should be celibrated above all else.

        • Heather Avalon

          bodyworks2010 My understanding is that Pagan originally meant “one who came from the woods.” Today the Western neo-Pagan religions have many traditions that are reconstructing the exact worship of which you speak – using sex to raise power. I thought your point was that monotheistic religion propagated sex shame, while earlier Pagan religions did not. My point was that those earlier religions (Pagan) are alive, well and practicing – but probably shouldn’t practice at nudist resorts. If I missed your point, I apologize. Your sweeping comment about “organized religion” when you seemed to mean only monotheistic or Abrahamic religion was somewhat offensive to those of us who are part of religions who use sex as religious worship and ritual.

        • Heather Avalon

          bodyworks2010 On this we agree completely!
          But, we also must function within the confines of our overarching social structure, and must also remember that there are people who use this kind of dogma as a ruse to take advantage of others.

  • j238

    An entire article?  Please understand, I’m not reading this.

  • ChristopherShadwick

    I saw this article and some of the comments below it and this made me wonder about a recent situation.  I was at Deep Creek with a nudist group a couple months ago and one of my fellow members of the group was near me.  While he did not have a raging “erection” (read as not at full mast), he seemed to, well, have quite an itch to scratch, almost literally.  I mean, he was not actually stroking his penis, but he was frequently brushing his genitalia every few seconds (but it seemed to be done almost absent-mindedly).  I’d ask if this seems abnormal, but I already know part of the answer.  It felt uncomfortable and out of place to ME to see that sort of activity.  I just wondered if others had seen similar activity and if they felt it was inappropriate.  I don’t want to try to sexualize something that isn’t, of course, and I am probably the opposite end of the spectrum among males.  I can count the number of times I’ve scratched my privates in public on one or two fingers, so with my low amount of public scratching, I just don’t want to overreact to somebody doing what he was doing, either.  Maybe his activity was perfectly natural, though it definitely is not for me.  But I know humans are diverse creatures!

    • JohnThomas1

      ChristopherShadwick
      This is a great example of how erections can be an unwelcome and uncomfortable thing for other men as well as women in nudist settings. 

      This sounds very suspicious because he was partially erect. That’s the time to leave it alone, not touch it repeatedly  near people. It would be weird & crude enough if he were flaccid (not erect) and just scratching himself all the time (Does he have crabs? And I hope he washed his hands before shaking hands or sharing food!) Just the fact that you refer to it as “that sort of activity” tells me that you know this guy was acting in a sexual way. Go with your gut.

      I would check with other members of your group and see what they say about it. You don’t have to name names. Maybe a leader can say something to the group about etiquette and hygiene.

  • CheriAlexander1

    That is the most asked question from those males who want to experience nudism for themselves.   BTW, female nipples are not sexual organs.  
    It is very understandable when trying something new for the first time to be anxious be it driving a new car, sky diving or visiting a nudist venue. The anxiety itself will generally prevent any embarrassment (medically speaking).
    It rarely happens, but since bare etiquette demands you sit on your own towel, cover up, roll over, go for a swim.
    Yes, it`s natural, but it`s not appropriate in a genuine nudist setting. It can and does offend others. There are other natural functions as well that I don`t want to witness in a nudist setting
    It my 40+ years of being a nudist, I`ve witnessed an erection only twice at a nudist park. One man was parading around with it, he was quickly escorted off the grounds. The second time, a fellow was napping. Someone tapped his shoulder, and the fellow turned over. The more often you are nude, the more comfortable you will be.

    • Heather Avalon

      CheriAlexander1 Thank you! And thanks for the point about nipples. Well said all around!

  • Karen4

    Is this really that much of a problem? Over my many years of being an active naturist, going to resorts, clubs, and beaches, I have not found this to be an issue at all. I know that first timers are sometimes concerned about getting an erection when they see naked people, but those worries seem to subside pretty quickly and become a non-issue.
    For the most part, if a man dies get an “out of the blue” erection for whatever reason, as long as he is respectful about it, it’s unlikely he’d be ridiculed or kicked out. And being respectful about it would be to grab a towel or excuse himself for a few minutes until it’s subsided. Kind of like most people would do in most other settings, like at a textile night club, neighborhood swimming pool, the beach, the grocery store, etc.
    As someone else stated, while there are times men have erections for no reason, much of the time, there is a reason. If someone can’t fathom taking a few minutes aside to let his erection pass, and would prefer to parade it around and expect everyone else to accept his freedom to be sexually aroused, I would find that very troubling. Especially if that attitude became the norm in socially nude settings.
    Let me be clear here. There are very few, if any, nudists or nudist clubs that would kick someone out or shame them for a little, obviously involuntary erection that is dealt with respectfully; in fact, I’d say in that situation, it normally goes unnoticed. However, there is a difference between that and someone with a noticable erection deciding to parade it around with no regard for others, not to mention the current rules of most resorts.
    There are plenty of places and events that are very tolerant and even encouraging of expressing one’s sexuality. Family oriented nudist resorts are not the place for this. Maybe I’m unhip, but I would hate to see nudist/naturist venues start accepting this. I would not be interested in it anymore and would certainly not bring my children or encourage others to bring their families. Not because I am against sex in general or sexuality, and by no means do I think sex is bad, but, as we’ve as a community, been trying to convince and prove for years, nudism does not equal sex.
    Here’s one more analogy…I’ll liken this topic to farting. We all do it, it is a natural bodily function that can sometimes be uncontrolable. I think most people try their best to do their farting inconspicuously. Most healthy adults are quite capable of doing so without anyone noticing. Now, every once in awhile, someone may let one slip by accident. It can be embarrassing, but their present company will likely be understanding and not fault them or ridicule them for it; it’s not that big a deal. However, if someone goes out and eats a meal of beans and eggs and then comes around and loudly interrupting everyone’s conversation, not to mention nasal passages with shameless fartstorms, that might be grounds to tell them to leave you alone.
    If someone gets an erection such that it’s noticeable and prolonged enough to prompt a lot of attention, maybe they ought to find a different lifestyle than nudism. Beyond that, most nudists aren’t on boner patrol watching every penis, ready to kick out its owner for any hint of growth.

    • Heather Avalon

      Karen4 Exactly.

  • briananthonykraemer

    (Part 4 of 4)
    I agree with
    what has been said about the rarity of observing erections in public nudity. I
    honestly can’t remember observing an erection in a naturist club or party, not
    even in parties with predominantly homosexual men. I know that we male
    naturists don’t want to feel like we’re being made to be ashamed of our bodies
    and the idea of having to “cover up” threatens our absolute freedom
    to “be ourselves,” but I concede to the voice of the women in this
    forum and I suggest that those of us men who want to push the limits of our
    sexual expression and freedom do so in male-only settings. There is a
    comraderie that I’ve observed in men’s-only settings that is liberating and
    fulfilling and satisfying of this desire to be naked an unashamed, not only
    physically which is the easiest of all, but even more importantly emotionally
    and spiritually.

  • briananthonykraemer

    (Part 2 of 4)
    I know many
    male naturists talk about erections “just happening for no reason”
    but my own experience has been that erections happen for a reason. Perhaps some
    males may not be immediately aware of the reason, but I suspect most of us do
    know why we get aroused in any given situation. Contrary to our consistent
    assertions that nudity has “absolutely nothing to do with sexuality”
    I doubt this is entirely true. How could it be when we are, for the most part,
    raised in cultures that tell us the contrary since birth? I suspect that in the
    few naturist cultures where complete nudity is normal from birth that far less
    sexual thoughts are automatically aroused by the sight of a naked body. This
    would be because one’s associations with nudity would be developed from birth
    when those associations would not be paired with strong sexual experiences. I
    think if a baby is exposed to naked bodies consistently throughout childhood
    s/he doesn’t link those images with sexual arousal, but would require some sort
    of specific sexual behavior in order to experience arousal.

  • briananthonykraemer

    (Part 3 of 4)
    I am a total
    idealist and I believe with all my heart that absolute nudity is natural and
    earthy and wholesome and beautiful. The Garden of Eden mythology I think is a
    beautiful story regardless of its historical accuracy or not. It is the
    expression of an idealist and someone who can look at life with innocence and
    joy.
    Back to the
    topic of men and our erections for a moment, I can understand why the females
    of our species would feel nervous or uncomfortable with an aroused man in their
    presence. As I said earlier about other species, I think the woman’s natural
    response is tension, whether sexual or fear, but erections produce tension,
    both in the males who have them and the females who observe them.

  • briananthonykraemer

    (Part 1 of 4)
    I have
    thoroughly enjoyed reading all of the comments shared here. I don’t have any
    easy answers, but there is definitely a theme here about how men and women
    perceive erections differently. I always consider how other animal species
    perceive one another in certain circumstances. For example, I’m fairly certain
    that when a bull gets an erection that the females around him either get
    sexually excited or nervous/afraid because an erect bull usually implies either
    sexual arousal or physical aggression, either against a female or another male,
    but certainly some sort of aggression.

  • MichaelTrowbridge

    If a woman is bleeding due to her period and she is comfortable ignoring the blood running down her legs etc, that is fine with me.  I will respect her for continuing to, for example, play volleyball, and live to her fullest.  Do others share my feelings about menstruation in public?
    In general, I like to be vulnerable and trust others.  As it usually works out good, I make more friends and trust people even more.  But being vulnerable to violence is a risk I too don’t take (as well).  I have never felt a nudist venue to be violent or sexually violent.

    • Heather Avalon

      MichaelTrowbridge I think, in fairness, adult women are more often the subject of sexual violence than adult men. I cannot tell you the number of times my female friends and I have been touched, followed and harassed by men in the nudist environment. Usually the men are older and in positions of power in the community, so there is no one to complain to. If they were allowed to have public erections I’m afraid it would empower them even more.
      For me, the bottom line is that until every nudist man can be trusted to not harass nudist women, the erection thing is a no-go.
      And, the fact of the matter is we are a long way away from that. Some clubs don’t seem to have this problem, but many do.

      • JohnThomas1

        Heather Avalon
        Sorry to hear of your and your friends’ experiences Heather. But please report them to someone. A position of power does not mean that action can’t be taken. Report the problem to the resort, AND to whichever nudist organization the resort belongs to, such as AANR. (Any legitimate nudist resort should have an AANR membership.) Tell the resort that you will be filing a complaint with AANR. That should help them to act. We need to police ourselves, and doing nothing is dangerous for everyone in nudism.

        • JohnThomas1

          Heather Avalon
          That is terrible. If that’s what happens then members need to pressure AANR leaders to change the way they address problems. Maybe a petition? I know that AANR is mostly about advocating nude recreation, and not a law making group that can force resorts to change.  But AANR has dropped resorts for sexual activity, which impacts that resorts’ credibility and finances. And while most resorts are privately owned, they have to respond to their customer’s concerns or lose business. So we do have ways to influence them. We just have to decide it’s important and find other people to back us up.

        • Heather Avalon

          JohnThomas1 Heather Avalon AANR policy is to confront the management and give the name of the person making the accusation. That is markedly different than certain club policies. For instance, if you have a problem at Sunny Rest you can tell management and they will deal with it and never tell the harasser who made the complaint. That creates a much better situation.
          It is very easy for a club owner or manager to tell the AANR that the person making the complaint is over-sensitive, just didn’t understand, didn’t have a right to complain, etc. There are some people in nudist leadership who like to have the opportunity to harass women, or the power to allow their friends to harass women. They make excuses for each other and cover each other’s asses. At some clubs, people who spend a lot of money basically get to do what they want to do.

        • Heather Avalon

          JohnThomas1 Well, think about what’s going on here. On this blog we have a well-respected nudist leader advocating to allow men to walk around with erections. Do you think nudist leadership in other organizations is any more concerned for the safety of women?

  • Lamdba

    All of these are good points. It’s true that, ideally, only the intent should matter, but that doesn’t mean we can just discount the feelings of people like Heather. It wasn’t until fairly recently that I started to understand just how vulnerable some women feel. It’s something I don’t think guys like us can fully appreciate.
    Women already typically have a higher emotional barrier to try naturism. It doesn’t take that much effort to show a little curtesy and make sure everyone feels safe.

    • Heather Avalon

      Lamdba Thanks for that. While I am always open to sexual exploration in the right setting, there is nothing that upsets me more than feeling, as you put it, vulnerable.
      I really appreciate your understanding.  The truth of the matter is this – women are always more at risk for sexual violence – every second of every day- then men are. The more that men understand that, the easier it will be for everyone.
      Yes, we all want to feel equal – but in this matter there will never be equality. And so there needs to be understanding. Thanks.

  • NotanlinesGuy

    Michael & Chet, I agree. Many non nudists associate two people nude around each other as being sexual. We nudists have gotten over this fear so why can’t we get over the fear of a simple non sexual erection. Having an erection does not automatically make it sexual unless the person with it or the person viewing it makes it so. It should be all about the actions of the male to the involuntary erection. As nudists, it’s time to evolve into a more intelligent & mature group.

  • MALCOLMSEEKEE

    AFTER READING THE COMMENTS,  LOOKS LIKE I WILL NEVER BE GOING TO A MEMBERS ONLY CLUB, AS I AM HOMOPHOBIC, AND HAVE HAD A TOTAL ERECTION, SINCE KINDERGARTEN EVERY TIME I NEEDED TO URONATE. I STILL GET A TOTAL ERECTION EVERY TIME I GO TO THE NUDIST BEACH. AT HIGH SCHOOL, I ONCE FORGOT TO LOCK THE TOILET DOOR, AND A CLASS MATE WALK IN, WHEN I GOT BACK TO CLASS, HE SAID I WAS GIVING MY SELF A HAND JOB, I EXPLAINED IT WAS THE ONLY WAY I COULD URINATE BECAUSE I HAD A FULL ERECTION,  HE CALL ME A LIER, UNTIL ANOTHER CLASS MATE SAID IT WAS TRUE WITH ASIAN’S. I WAS STILL A VIRGIN AT 25, DESPITE THE FACT I HAD BEEN GOING TO THE NUDIST BEACH SINCE I WAS 18 ON MY OWN, FOR THAT ALL OVER SUN TAN.

    • briananthonykraemer

      MALCOLMSEEKEE It is standard online etiquette to use lower case letters when communicating. To write in all CAPS is perceived as yelling, screaming, or showing extreme emotion. It is also more difficult to read.

    • CheriAlexander1

      MALCOLMSEEKEE  Please turn off your CAPS lock.  Online it’s the equivalent of SHOUTING

  • JohnJr

    If nudism is truly about freedom and freedom from judgment, then an involuntary erection should not be an issue. Certainly we should not be encouraging anxiety in any person that wishes to participate in social nudity. To equivocate harmless erections and the excuses used by rapists to justify their actions is hyperbolic. They are not the same thing. An involuntary erection is more akin to sneezing, sometimes it just happens. It’s not common, but it happens. It has happened to me and I am thankful that those present did not ridicule me or shun me by ordering me to go stand by myself behind the wood shed. No one said a word or even seemed to notice. That is what I would advocate among nudists. To call attention to such a thing is to sexualize it. Unless the possessor of the erection is doing something that is obviously out of line, then any implied sexuality is in the mind of the beholder. Its no different than the argument that nudity does not equal sex. Involuntary erections do not equal sex either.

    • Heather Avalon

      JohnJr When you sneeze you use a tissue. When you get an erection in a nudist environment you put a towel over it until it goes away. I have never seen a man be ridiculed for an erection – just cover it up and it’s a non-issue – just like sneezing.

      • JohnJr

        Heather Avalon Again,that’s not a valid comparison. You use a tissue because of the effects of the sneeze (i.e. mucus on your face), however, if you find my analogy to be invalid I will try another. A nonsexual erection is no different than a suddenly bloodshot eye. The problem with the erection is in the mind of the offended beholder (unless of course it is obvious that the erect person is doing something obscene). 
        PS- it is very difficult to put a towel over it if you’re in the middle of volleyball game.

        • Heather Avalon

          JohnJr I could certainly see that having that happen in the middle of a volleyball game would be less upsetting than, say, if we were having a conversation by the pool – in which case I would totally want you to cover it up. But, if I started my period while playing volleyball would you want me to keep playing or go take care of it first?

  • Heather Avalon

    Um…When a woman gets her period unexpectedly she does not expect to be ridiculed or shamed, but she is expected to take care of it and not drip blood all over. Public erections are the same way – not a source of shame but something that needs to be covered up until it goes away.
    I think men being allowed to walk around with erections would really send the wrong message, invite the wrong people and be very threatening toward women. The idea that men simply cannot control themselves sexually is one is still used as an excuse for rape and harassment.
    Most nudist environments offer an environment where women can feel entirely safe. I would hate to see that change.
    In the past ten years I have noticed a more predatorial energy in certain nudist venues – and that energy is often propagated by people using catch phrases like “body acceptance” and “sex positivity.” 
    Some nudist men need to understand that if a woman does not want to have sex it does not mean she lacks body acceptance or is not sex positive, it means she’s just not into you. Open erections would only make this situation worse.

  • Lamdba

    Whenever a non-nudist asks about this issue, I always just tell them that personally, I’ve never seen one; for the vast majority of nudists, this just isn’t a problem. I think this issue mainly gets talked about by people who haven’t had first-hand experience with nudism.
    I understand that it does happen for no reason occasionally, so we can’t be overly draconian about it, but I think being overly tolerant of erections, particularly publicly, will just attract people who are there for the wrong reasons.
    …and if one does happen, I think the reason you mention about causing trauma to abuse victims is reason enough to be considerate.

  • ChetKresiak

    Jordan, this is one of the two most common issues with nudism, the other being the practice of excluding single males. In your last post, you said that you “understood” why clubs discriminate against single males, and the reason they do it is because it’s generally believed that if the gender balance is tipped too far to the male side, then women can feel uncomfortable. No doubt homophobia plays into this, also. I’m not sure how you reconcile these two issues. You also cannot discuss this issue without recognizing the existence of males-only nudism, which is quite common, and you can see a partial list here: http://www.cmen.info/friends.html
    Nudist organizations in general need to bring themselves into the 21st century and become more diverse and tolerant. You took one step towards this in your last post by proclaiming that you don’t discriminate against transsexuals, but you still discriminate against single men. According to Wikipedia, there are over 100 gay naturist clubs in the United States, and the reason they exist is due to the institutional prejudice found in nudism and naturism.
    This is anecdotal, but it’s my impression that erections are common and tolerated in gay naturist circles. One club here in Ohio actually does a ring toss game on erect penises.
    And not everybody at these males-only clubs and events are gay. Many are heterosexual men who are not welcome at “family” clubs. When I started out exploring social nudism, I went to swims in the Columbus OH area which were 90% male. One time the erection issue came up in a discussion, and the club president simply said to “let it fly”.
    So the bottom line is that the erection issue goes hand-in-hand with the single male issue. Unless organizations make efforts to end discrimination of all kinds, erections and single males will continue to be unwelcome.

    • JohnThomas1

      ChetKresiak  
      Chet, the mistake you’re making here is equating nudist values and safety with unfair discrimination. 
      Discrimination can be a good and necessary thing. We usually think of it as being prejudicial, like racial discrimination. But the Oxford Dictionary also defines it as “recognizing a distinction; to differentiate.” Fancy foods used to be advertised as being “for people with discriminating taste.” Today the word is considered negative but it’s not only negative.
      We discriminate nudists from society at large, not to put ourselves down but to recognize our different values toward the body. We also have to discriminate ourselves from people only interested in sexual nudity. 
      If we don’t have some way to discriminate, there is no way to identify any group of people.
      I agree that nudism needs to be more modern and inclusive. But not at the expense of nudist principles of being family-friendly and non-sexual. (Not that we’re asexual.) 
      The people doing the ring-toss event in your story seem to be going beyond accepting erections, and actually promoting them, which is not a good idea. It focuses attention on the genitalia, which as nudists we feel deserve no more attention than any other body part. I see that maybe the event promotes the idea that a penis does not have to be a threatening violent image, even when erect. But I think there can be better ways to get that idea across without crossing over into sexual activity. Don’t tell me that all these men had innocent, spontaneous erections at the same time. 
      Finally I don’t think that erections and male discrimination “go hand in hand” – but putting the erection in the hand is not going to help end prejudice against single males.

      • ChetKresiak

        JohnThomas1 ChetKresiak Discriminating against single males at an event open to the public is illegal in most states. The reason the practice still exists is that single males who are turned away on the basis of their gender and marital status choose not to bring a lawsuit, probably due to privacy issues.
        The only lawsuit I can recall was made by a single male against Elysium Fields in California a couple of decades ago. Attorney Gloria Allred made some news because this was about Elysium practicing discrimination by charging different fees based upon gender and marital status. Elysium backed down and began charging the same fees for everyone. YNA claims that there was a similar lawsuit in New Jersey, but they have yet to provide me of any evidence that it actually happened.
        The point I am trying to make with the ring toss game is that when single males congregate in the nude, barriers break down because there are no women present. Certainly in a mixed gender environment, erections are still not welcome, and I am not advocating that AANR and TNS clubs begin welcoming overt sexual activity.
        The same thing can happen at “adults only” venues, where no children are present. I’ve been in enough nudist situations where language and behavior becomes much more sexual when the children are in bed. This can happen anywhere, not just in nudist situations. It’s human behavior.
        I’ve really only seen one incident of a voluntary erection. It happened this year, a guy was stroking himself and walking up to women on full display. He was tossed out in a hurry.
        The problem of erections and male discrimination do indeed go “hand in hand”. There is compromise required on both sides – clubs need to end the discrimination, and single males need to abide by rules of behavior.
        There is no reason why nudist values cannot be maintained while ending discrimination. Similar arguments were made against African-Americans for maintaining “coloreds only” facilities under Jim Crow, that somehow the introduction of dark-skinned people into restaurants, hotels and other public venues would signal an end to decent society.  Such arguments are nonsense, and have been proven time and time again to be nothing but racism and prejudice. Saying that “discrimination can be a good and necessary thing” in this context is abhorrent.

      • NotanlinesGuy

        JohnThomas1ChetKresiak 
        Discrimination in the context of this discussion is as per this definition:
        1 – Discrimination is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice
        and/or distinguishing treatment of an individual based on their actual
        or perceived membership in a certain group or category, “in a way that
        is worse than the way people are usually treated.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination#cite_note-1
        It involves the group’s initial reaction or interaction, influencing
        the individual’s actual behavior towards the group or the group leader,
        restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that
        are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the
        individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination#cite_note-2
         Note the keywords, prejudicial and irrational.

    • j238

      ChetKresiak Some nudist venues will remove a man with an erection.  That may not seem fair in the case of a spontaneous erection, but the policy deters some pervs.  
      We would fix the problem if only there was an accurate way to determine who’s an “authentic nudist” and who’s a “pervert.”  No one’s a mind-reader here, so a hard cock is the best indicator we have.

      • NotanlinesGuy

        j238 ChetKresiak  
        Removing a man because he has an erection, without basing it on the actions of the man, is ridiculous and clubs like that shouldn’t be part of AANR in my opinion.  It’s the actions that should dictate whether he is removed or not.  Did he cause it in any physical way?  Did he attempt to make his erection less visible?  Did he brag about it?
        If he caused it, gone.  If he flaunted it, gone.  Bragged about it talked about it innappropriately, gone. Otherwise they are being ridiculous to think a man can never have an involuntary erection.

    • j238

      ChetKresiak Actually, the reason gay male nudist clubs exist is because their members chose affirmatively to create those clubs. 
      No need to make an unfounded argument about homophobia.

      • ChetKresiak

        j238 ChetKresiak The argument is not unfounded. I encounter homophobic people all the time in the nudist world. I once called a club in Indiana, affiliated with AANR, making a reservation for my wife and myself, along with two women friends who were a same sex couple. I was told on the phone that the women would not be welcome there. Another time an African-American single male was told flat-out by someone (not a club owner) that if he came back for another visit, he would regret the decision. Nudism suffers from institutional racism and discrimination, no doubt about it. Pick up any publication from AANR, TNS or others and you will see an obvious deficit in people of color, or single males. Yes, gay male nudists “affirmatively” to create their own clubs, but it’s because they do not feel welcome in the mainstream nudist world.

        • j238

          ChetKresiak j238 I’ve seen a few gay male nudist websites.  As far as I can see, everyone looks like they’re having fun.   I’ve never seen a reference to anti-gay discrimination.  
          I’ve never seen your point-of-view expressed in the first person by a gay male.

        • CheriAlexander1

          ChetKresiak j238  Chet, Pine Tree is couples only.  Gymno-Vita is couples only; some times a woman is allowed entrance.  
          Serendipity in GA as does Travelites in SC states that your behaviour is your ticket to entrance.
          When one of my single men members want to visit a resort or park away from home, I’ve gained entrance for them including 40Acres in MO.

        • ChetKresiak

          CheriAlexander1 ChetKresiak j238 A lot of resorts and campgrounds are couples only. The question is whether or not the exclusion of single males is ethical, or legal. It’s one thing to restrict membership to private clubs, it’s another to discriminate when open to the general public. For example, Augusta Country Club for years did not allow women to be members, but they could not legally restrict women from attending events open to the public. I’ve used New Jersey’s ruling against “ladies night” discounts as an example, but this idea of charging less to encourage more women to attend has been upheld in some courts on the basis that these bars are not discouraging men from attending. When nudist clubs refuse attendance to people on the basis of gender or marital status, they are almost certainly in violation of the law.
          California’s Unruh Act basically guarantees that there shall be no discrimination on the basis of age, marital status, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or gender. Desert Sun in California began prohibiting attendance by children, and a group of people threatened to sue under Unruh. DS countered with their own pre-emptive suit, claiming that children were not safe from predators at their resort, but that suit was deemed invalid by the courts. To date, I am not aware of any resolution to this issue with DS. It appears that they are claiming to be a private membership club, charging a $10 fee to everyone who attends, in order to bypass Unruh.
          I’m not an attorney, but it seems to me that for a club to be considered private would take more than simply charging a token membership fee. That would basically mean that any organization could consider themselves “private” by charging a small fee, and then discriminate as they please. Imagine if all venues open to the public started doing this. An example would be a sports arena, which could build in a “membership” fee into their ticket sales, and then start telling children or women that they were not allowed to attend.

        • ChetKresiak

          j238 ChetKresiak You go on believing that there’s no homophobia in organized nudism if that floats your boat. The question you have to ask is why single males are turned away so frequently from nudist venues and events, while I’ve never heard of a single female being denied access. Sexism, racism, and homophobia are ingrained in organized nudism.

        • j238

          ChetKresiak  I was tagged on that, but I haven’t said anything about admissions policies.

        • ChetKresiak

          j238 ChetKresiak You were “tagged” because this is your thread.

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  • MichaelTrowbridge

    One thing that men and women appreciate about nudism is the
    mutual trust and respect we extend to each other.
    When I am erect with anyone, I want that trust to continue.  My erection is not sexual unless I am having
    sexual intentions.  Nudist should not
    deem a simple erection as intentionally sexual unless it is accompanied sexualized
    actions.
    Sexualized actions would be any unwanted touching… clear
    permission to touch another must always be granted (whether the person has an
    erection or not).  An erection caused by
    strocking ones penis is also a sexualized action.
    I think that maintaining an erection for more than several
    minutes without sexualized actions is so rare that fellow nudists could
    reasonably decide to lose trust for that male. 
    But rather than asking him to leave, he should be asked about any sexual
    motivations.  If he swears to have no
    sexual motives, trust should be guardedly restored… but I doubt any male
    without sexual intentions will naturally maintain an erection for so long.  He should explain why he is so aroused, and
    we should discuss his very rare case again.
    Therefore, I think nudists should alter the present erection
    etiquette to allow this natural function of the penis.  Respecting the temporally erect man will be
    affirming and liberating to both genders.

    • JohnThomas1

      MichaelTrowbridge In a perfect world, you would have a point, but even the nudist world is not perfect. I respect people, but I do not automatically trust everyone. That is dangerous. Maybe you are referring to your nudist friends. It’s great to have that level of friendship. But not everyone at the resort or beach is a friend who knows everyone’s intentions. And not everyone can be trusted to give honest answers. Do you really expect that a man who has an erection for sexual reasons will answer honestly about it when he knows he could be kicked out? No way. We need to look out for each other’s safety.

  • jochanaan

    It is not our involuntary bodily reactions that should concern us, but rather our voluntary actions.