The Issues With Nude Beach Photography

| January 2, 2015 | 45 Comments

How Do We Deal With The Legality of Non-Consensual Nude Beach Photography?

Just recently a story began to circulate online about a guy who was caught with a hidden camera at a nude beach called Maslin Beach in Adelaide, Australia. A few beach-goers realized that his cooler had holes in it and that there was a video camera inside. They chased him down and detained him in a “citizen’s arrest,” then called the police.

Officers who came to the scene didn’t find any actual beach footage on the guy’s camera. Due to a lack of evidence, they released him with a warning.

Some onlookers said they’d seen the guy before and that he uploads film to a commercial voyeur website.

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Had there been footage on his camera, police actually could have arrested the man for “indecent filming.” I am far from being an expert on Australian laws, but this is what I found from researching online.

In South Australia, there is the Summary Offences Act of 1953, which was amended to include “indecent filming” in 2008.

Indecent filming means filming of—
(a) another person in a state of undress in circumstances in
which a reasonable person would expect to be afforded
privacy; or
(b) another person engaged in a private act in circumstances in
which a reasonable person would expect to be afforded
privacy; or
(c) another person’s private region in circumstances in which a
reasonable person would not expect that the person’s private
region might be filmed;

The “private region” is defined as the genital area (no mention of female breasts). Indecent filming is a criminal offense, and so is distributing any film or photography obtained from indecent filming. The punishment for this crime is up to two years in prison and a fine up to $10,000. If the case involves a minor, those figures double.

The news stories online make it sound like this was a relatively isolated incident at Maslin Beach. Given the fact that secretly filming people on a nude beach is illegal in South Australia, maybe it is an infrequent occurrence there. Though it doesn’t mean that hidden-camera sleuths won’t try anyway and even get away with it at times.

I also found a report of a man getting arrested on a nude beach in Spain for filming people with a tiny hidden camera in his sunglasses. He was charged with “invading the privacy of others.” I haven’t looked into the laws of any other European country, but they seem to be much more judicious over there than here in the USA.

Here in the United States, we are not so lucky. Most nude beaches in the U.S. are public and are considered no different than a textile beach as far as privacy is concerned. This means that it’s totally legal for someone to photograph or film you without your consent, whether you’re nude or not.

It doesn’t mean such behavior is ethical or tolerated by others. In our view, it’s still a gross invasion of privacy and should be illegal. Posting the nude photos online should be a criminal offense as well.

At many nude beaches, nudists work to establish rules of etiquette that usually address photography. People are expected to be aware of others around them and in the background when taking photos. People are also expected to ask permission before photographing someone else.

One nude beach where camera voyeurs are known to pop up on occasion is Gunnison Beach. Some will hide their camera in a cooler or bag, some will pretend to be talking on their cell phone (while actually taking pictures) and others will just brazenly point and snap away without trying to hide it. Sometimes you can spot them by the very fact that they stay dressed and don’t bring any beach gear with them.

This behavior is difficult to confront, especially when the law is not on your side. It used to be easy to stop vile photographers. Before everything went digital, you could just pull out someone’s film and immediately destroy it with exposure to sunlight. Now since almost every cell phone doubles as a camera, photography etiquette is much harder to enforce. It’s also become very easy to upload pictures online and distribute them far and wide.

So how do you prevent or stop people from taking your photo without your consent?

Here are a few tips on dealing with nude beach photography:

  • Don’t let this make you paranoid to the point where you can’t enjoy the beach, but be aware of your surroundings. Some of the regulars at Gunnison (such as the Ranger World group) do try to look out for each other and warn people when they see someone covertly pointing a lens their way.
  • Use windscreens or other beach gear to block others’ view.
  • If you notice someone taking your photo, approach them and politely ask them to stop (and delete any photos they took of you). Bring a friend if you don’t feel comfortable or safe in doing so alone.
  • If you go to the beach regularly, you may want to consider printing out fliers listing nude beach etiquette rules in the case that someone is unaware of them.
  • If you ask someone to stop and they continue taking pictures, you can either ignore them, relocate to another part of the beach, or confront them again. For the last option, it’s best to gather a few people and approach as a group – there is power in numbers. Tell them they need to stop and ask them to delete any photos they took. If they become violent or start making a scene (this is rare I think), it’s probably in your best interest to walk away and relocate yourself.
  • Many say that a good way to get a persistent creep to stop is to take their picture. With any luck, they will freak out and leave.
  • Park rangers won’t interfere as they can’t really do anything about it. But there is one exception – when there are kids involved. If you see someone who is clearly a stranger pointing their camera at kids, notify the rangers. According to this 2011 article, rangers did arrest someone at least once for filming some children on Gunnison Beach.

Once a person takes your photo, you have no idea if they’re just going to keep it private for their own enjoyment (still gross), or upload it to a blog or some commercial website dedicated to voyeurism. We know of at least one website filled with pictures secretly taken at Gunnison. We looked into ways of getting it taken down, but unfortunately it’s hosted on a personal server, and while Jordan has continually requested and pleaded with Google directly, they refused to take any action.

In the aforementioned article, one retired federal investigator says he has a private Facebook page where he uploads photos of predatory photographers. (I have no idea what page this is or if it still exists.) This is a way to publicly shame them as well as alert others to their presence.

It’s frustrating that we are legally defenseless against non-consensual photography at nude beaches. Hopefully we will one day make it a crime as other countries have done, though progress is slow. At least some states have recently passed new laws against “revenge porn” and “upskirt” photos (when someone secretly points their camera lens up a woman’s or person’s skirt in public). So we are slowly expanding privacy laws.

What do you think, readers? What’s your experience with photographer creeps at the nude beach, and how do you deal with them?

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  • PeterVernon

    Thanks for clearing that up lord vader now you’ve explained it you sound a lot less crazy.

  • jrnookiemonster

    He had to purposely and disrespectfully steal my image, not just snap a shot where I’m in the background. Then the killing thing would be done by me, using the force, like Darth Vader, not someone I had do it for me like your comment eludes to. Why would you assume I would “have it done” instead of using my super powers? Even I get a little rusty sometimes. Definitely good to practice. Raccoons drag their prey into the water alive. He should be so lucky that isn’t the case, but I don’t want to necessarily take that option off the table.

  • PeterVernon

    Ok just so I get this straight:
    Guy takes photo in a public place, not necessarily ileagle, and your plan to deal with the issue is as follows:
    Make up a story that he’s playing with himself while looking at your daughter.
    Have him assaulted killed and dispose of the body at sea.

  • jrnookiemonster

    Well, the photog rapist better pray there is someone like you to report me as I’m swimming into the rip with his body.

  • PeterVernon

    Well hopefully you get the rest of the beach goers to agree with your story. Remember the article here is about photography not in appropriate behaviour or name calling.
    In many places taking photos without permission in a public is not illegal. However assault is.

  • jrnookiemonster

    Then I explain how he was lurking around my young daughter touching himself and they stomp him again, you pederast defending creep

  • PeterVernon

    And if he does and the police hear”I was assaulted, had my equipment trashed and I want doing anything illegal”
    What then?

  • I don’t think it is a matter of demanding privacy in a public area.  It is more a matter of courtesy, if you want a photo of me why not ask?  In most other settings you are going to take close up photos of a group of people generally, you ask may I take your photo.  I believe the same common courtesy should occur at nude beaches.  I am not discussing nude scenery taken at a distance.
    I think when the “public” argument is used to take voyeuristic photos with hidden cameras it is simply a cope out.  If the photographer feels that they have the right to do so then why a hidden camera?  It is unfortunately this kind of behavior that create the creepy factor and keep many women away from nude beaches and other events. I partake in the WNBR and there is no way that bystanders or riders can ask everyone that will be in the photo, but I can and do when I am going to get a close up of a small group or specific subjects as I feel it is common courtesy and I don’t recall ever been turned down.  Anyway, it is common sense in my opinion.  
    However, I do agree that no one should partake in an event like the WNBR and not expect to appear in some photos that will end up online.  However, if they are confident in their bodies and their choice of attire (after all is is “as bare as you dare” so body paint and some form of costume or disguises are often used by some) then generally they will have no problem in being photographed and even pose for photos.

  • shaneoshea2016

    If you want privacy, don’t go to a nude beach for crying out loud. If people take photos that is their choice. You are in a public place and demanding privacy in a public place is just absolutely stupid.

  • reinogoransson

    If it´s allowed to take pictures of nude people on the beach because it´s a public place, then it should be allowed to take pictures of nude people on all beaches and other public places.
    It´s only logical so.

  • Al Mahany

    mpapai you are correct about filming police in public. Doing so is our constitutional right as long as you do not interfere with the movement of the officers.  Many cops do not like it, but I would if I were a cop.  Photos and videos of cops doing their work both protects good people from bad cops and protects good cops from bad people.  So cops should welcome photos.

    As a beach ambassador, I welcome photos and videos of myself performing ambassador functions for that exact reason.  I even once told a Ranger who said that they have me on video at the beach that I am happy to be videoed performing my ambassador work.  I could not care less about being photographed nude by anybody, and I welcome showing anybody who wants to see it how I do my ambassador work.

    I would love to see a law controlling photography on the nude beach as long as it does not contain anything the clothing compulsive can use against us to argue that we do not belong there.  I realize that the most vulnerable to photography are the most desirable ones for perverts to photograph, especially young attractive naturist ladies.  I just don’t want some law on the books even remotely suggesting that what we do is indecent.

  • I think  Arizona made a law about not taking and having nude photos without permission and the bookstores got very upset about the gov’t possibly going after them.   They would have to get rid of a lot of books!!
    Also it’s against the constitution when it comes to making a law if it includes people not being allowed to film the police.

  • Al Mahany

    miket-nyc I worked at law firms too (I am a lawyer), and I even ran into a clerk at a firm we were both working in at a nude beach.  Yo are right, no big deal there.  People who get fired for this get fired for money or political reasons, not for moral reasons.  Morality is only the excuse.  There was no reason for the firm to fire either one of us.

  • miket-nyc

    I’ve been a naturist for many years, and I someone bring a camera to Gunnison beach, not to photograph people, but to take pictures of the beach itself and the birds. (I think the only time I’ve taken pictures of people there was of a Wiccan solstice ceremony, which a friend of mine was participating in).  I also sometimes go there with binoculars, again for birds rather than people (or to look at the NYC skyline, which can be spectacular at Gunnison on a clear day).

    But I sometimes wonder whether someone might be thinking I’m sneaking around taking pictures of people.  What is the right way to behave if you’re carrying a camera but not doing anything wrong with it?  No one has ever said anything to me and I’m always nude myself, which may reduce suspicion.

    By the way, I think most people today don’t need to worry about being “exposed” as a nudist. I work at a law firm, and some of my colleagues and even supervisors know I go to a nude beach. Most would say, “I could never do that!” etc., but I’ve never had anyone look down on me for it.  (Also, people have taken pictures of me occasionally at nude beaches, and I couldn’t care less). Maybe if you’re a politician or a fundamentalist minister you should worry about losing your job, but I think most people today consider social nudism a peculiar hobby rather than a moral fault.

  • Al Mahany

    Right on for you BeachDave.  It takes nerves of steel to do what you do as well as what I used to do before the clothing compulsives took Lighthouse Beach away from us.  But for that matter, it also takes nerves to perform many Ambassador functions, like approaching a group of drunks who think they have some sort of right to have an orgy and see me as some ballbreaker who is only out to spoil their nude fun.  I do have concern about assault, although it never happened to me, but my biggest concern is one of these people creating a Ranger incident where one of us throws his camera in the ocean and we become the bad guys
    I emphasize many of the points you do, such as how he should worry about pissing off large numbers of people, but I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.  Once I approached an Asian man who did not speak English, but luckily his girlfriend did and agreed to interpret for me.  I greeted him, welcomed him to our beach, and then explained to him what is considered polite conduct.  He did take me up on my offer to photograph me.  I don’t know what happened to that picture but don’t really care.  And I got him to delete the pictures taken so far.

    I would love laws that protect us, but not if they define taking pictures of naturist activity as indecent.  It would only be a matter of time before some clothing compulsive Park Superintendent parlays that law into an idea that we are doing indecent things so we need to go.

    For 46 years of NPS presence at Lighthouse Beach, we had excellent cooperation with every Superintendent, with one even publicly announcing in 1984 that he had no intention of enforcing the new Exposure of A Person law at Lighthouse Beach and other traditional nude areas on Fire Island.  Then the current Superintendent came along.  He promised us that he would not close our beach, stating that he only wants to control sex and drugs and other inappropriate activity.  So with his approval and cooperation, we started the Ambassador program to do just that.  Then two years later he took our beach away in a surprise attack none of us saw coming, making all sorts of claims, including one that the Ambassador program was a failure, making no mention of the fact that he had a hand in starting it up.

    My point is you never know what park official may pretend to be our friend and them stab us in the back the first chance he gets.  Let’s not give people like that laws to hang their hats on that define what we do as indecent.

  • NaturistXian BeachDave I meant “private” in the sense that it can become another “public” place where there CAN be an expectation of privacy in regards to photography. I’m not saying they need to restrict entry or make it no longer open to the public. I’m confident that lawmakers could come up with a new law that doesn’t violate 1st amendment rights if they wanted to, or that those who police the beach can enforce a photography rule just as they enforce littering & alcohol rules.
    Our photography laws have already proven to be too broad at times, and I’ve read that laws had to be passed to prohibit photography in locker rooms, as I guess that also was seen as a “public” place in some cases. It shouldn’t be that difficult to create an exception for a certain type of beach.

  • NaturistXian

    FelicityJones NaturistXian BeachDave 
    I absolutely agree with you that just politely confronting people will not magically make the problem go away.  There is a market for voyeurism so there will be some who try to profit from it.  But we naturists want the rights to be nude in a *public* place.  With that right also comes the forfeit of the expectation of privacy.  If I want to be nude in a social setting where I can be very confident that no one will take my picture without my consent, I will stick with private homes and clubs where those rules are enforced.

    I do think that we can make significant headway in minimizing unwanted photography by doing just as BeachDave has suggested.  The legal question becomes sticky once you prohibit behavior that is otherwise protected in public spaces.

  • NaturistXian BeachDave That’s not going to make this problem go away. Even in other countries where there are nude beaches galore, there are still creeps with hidden cameras. Other countries have managed to classify a nude beach as a “private” place, so why can’t we.

  • NaturistXian

    BeachDave This is the right answer.  Passing legislation that would make it illegal to take pictures in a public place seems like an overreaction. Let’s instead focus on making nudity common by promoting it and pushing for more free beaches.

  • JamieFred

    massaga I agree with you Massaga, But remember you can be laying  on a sun bed pretending to read a tablet but be taking photos .

  • massaga artclasmodl I agree that for most people & in most professions, that’s what will happen. However, that’s not to say that getting fired won’t and never ever happens. Like I said, the risk is real, however small, and what’s at stake is one’s livelihood. What would you tell someone who just so happened to be one of those few people who loses their job because of it? Oops, that almost never happens, my mistake? Naturists only need to make others aware of how uncommon a negative response or consequence is among family / friends. They don’t need to go around saying, tell everyone you know ’cause it’ll help naturism & nothing bad will ever happen! We can leave such choices up to the individual on who to tell and when.
    If you’re caught being a secret photographer voyeur, well, the rest of us are luck if you end up in the court system.

  • massaga

    FelicityJones artclasmodl  I think what one does in ones own time is their own business  , I think if you were to let know your work collegues or your boss that you are a naturist either be greeted with interest or you will get some light hearted banter. I hardly think one would loose their job over it.
    You would probably be a chance you would loose your job and be shunned by your work collegues and relatives if one was caught being the voyeur and being dragged through the court system.
    I think its best to be sometimes open about being a Naturist.

  • artclasmodl While it’s true that naturism would be more accepted if more people were open about it, it’s complicated. Who and when a person tells is no one’s decision but their own. Telling others can have serious consequences, and most people would think it unwise to tell their boss / superiors at work. Are you willing to pay their salary if they lose their job over it? Will you help them if their relatives shun them? Not that getting fired or losing relationships is all that common, but the risks are real. Again, it’s a very personal choice and I would never pressure others to tell everyone. I just bring up the fact that most people don’t react as negatively as one would think.
    Also, don’t think that this nude photography thing is just a fear of your picture being discovered by family or your boss. I have no such fear. I personally just don’t want my photo used on any voyeur picture-peddler website without my consent.
    Many think that this problem would disappear if nudity became more accepted but after giving it some thought, I think it takes enforced rules / laws to make it disappear. Some people are always going to get off on voyeurism. If you can go online and find nude pics with the click of a button, why do you need to go take non-consensual nude photos at a beach? There’s some sort voyeur appeal in seeing people in real life & sneaking their picture, I guess.

  • PeterVernon

    Lamdba
    I agree, these are the logistics of the idea, you only need
    to see the amount of unsubstantiated stuff floating around on Facebook which
    people pass on feeling they’re doing a public service. When in fact what they’re
    doing is perpetuating a vicious personal attack.
    So while verification of the claims is a logistical issue it’s
    a big one. Just how would it be done? Do you need validated personal details of
    the submitter of the image?
    No idea how that part would work at all, though
    there could be some interesting ideas out there.

  • It is good to see the many great comments an discussion.  I have seen several that have expressed that they could not care who takes there photo and I share that feeling.  However, I am am pretty sure that many of the people that have shared this position are older males like myself and are probably not the target of unwanted photographers.  

    Most likely their intended targets are female, and possible younger ones, who are more likely to not wish to have their photo taken.  This is then one more hurdle to overcome for women trying to become nudist/naturist and visit these beaches.

    For this reason I think it is important that if legislation is not possible or caries it’s own inherent risks that local groups form ambassador programs and naturist in general speak up for their standards and their fellow naturist.

  • RoaminBares

    If the beach is open to the public, you have no expectation of privacy and fall into the same category whether a nude or clothed beach.  Keep in mind that the 1st Amendment comes into play.  Texas had a law on certain pics being taken and for what purpose, but the courts said that it was ILLEGAL…thank you Texas Courts!  Remember, taking cameras away from someone is a crime, assault or battery depending on your state.  Touching someone in Texas is considered simple assault, if you grab a camera or push them.  I go to nudist parks that are open to the public, if they want to take my pic, fine.  Just remember, cameras come in many things now, I have some that you would not know are cameras.

  • Rick407

    Years ago, I was at Mazo beach one time when a guy was noticed taking pictures.  Things got ugly, resorting to the guy being threatened with assault by several beachgoers if he didn’t surrender his camera to have the images deleted.  Though he did give in and surrendered his camera (after which, he promptly left), I could not condone what the others did.  It would be much better to have an ordinance against non-consensual photos, but that’s not likely to happen on most public lands.  But then, I’m “ordinary” enough not to be of photographic interest, and I’m not that sensitive about that possibly happening to me.

  • Al Mahany You found the same approach as me AL. Be polite and respectful and you will most likely get cooperation. Be authoritative and you get an altercation. It’s the old adage: ‘You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar’.

  • Al Mahany

    All-Nudist.com I support the South Africa code of conduct on the new nude beach.  Far from being an interference with our nude freedoms, it helps preserve those freedoms for years to come. Besides, it does not prohibit anything responsible naturists like us will not do anyway.

  • Al Mahany

    I can say a lot here.  As a Lighthouse Beach Ambassador, one of my responsibilities was to dissuade the non consensual taking of photos against a backdrop of a Superintendent who refused to do anything to control it (not surprisingly since this very anti-naturist person took our beach away without cause or provocation of any kind).

    First of all, I have mixed feelings about laws that prohibit non consensual photography.  I am glad to see that this legal protection exists, but at the same time I am concerned that this body of law uses words like indecent and private.  If certain parts of the body are indecent or private, such a concept sounds to me like a tool the clothing compulsive can use to justify an argument that these parts do not belong exposed on a public beach.

    So what did I do about the seemingly legal photography on Lighthouse Beach?  For starters, I was not without Ranger protection.  Even though the Rangers were powerless to stop unwanted photography, they did have the power to intervene in a public disturbance and demand that the conduct that led to the disturbance (the picture taking) stop.

    Beyond, that, I treated the offender with courtesy and respect, giving him the benefit of the doubt and reminding him that there are many who will pose for nude pictures on the beach, myself included.  So I would ask him to please ask permission before taking a picture, while assuring him that the number of people who will pose for such pictures is more than adequate, so there is no need to photograph the unwilling to get whatever he came for.  I then offer to pose for him, which he almost always turns down since the last thing he wants is a nude photo of my ugly ass.

    Finally I remind him that although he may not be breaking any laws, he is getting a lot of people upset, and seeing as there is one of him and thousands of others, it would be unwise to get all those people upset.

    One last step:  “Sir, may I see the photos you have taken so far?  I will ask you to please erase any photo containing unwilling nude subjects and to ask permission before taking any more photos”.  Usually I get cooperation, and the encounter ends with “Thank you for your cooperation, sir, and I hope you enjoy your day at the beach”.

  • Eddie Gamble

    I’ve always harbored a conscious fear that one day a textile friend of mine, or my kids, would approach me in the textile world and tell me, or my kids, that he had seen pictures of my wife on an internet voyeur site. We have never let this stop us from frequenting nude beaches, but the thought is always there, just as the thought of sharks is there whenever I swim in the ocean. However, I think part of the problem with outlawing picture taking on nude beaches dangerously borders on the right to be nude on that beach to begin with. Lawmakers would sooner take that right away from us than outlaw picture taking. Let me play Devil’s Advocate here for a moment,,,,,, like paparazzi, photographers actually do have a right to photograph whatever is in plain sight. If you put it out there, they have the right to photograph it. You can claim privacy, but how is it a private thing to disrobe on a beach in front of hundreds of people? When people, like my wife and I do it, we are taking our chances and we know this going in,,,,,but when you talk about freedoms, like freedom to be nude, freedom to look, freedom to photograph, etc. you have to be careful not to ban too many freedoms or you might get what you’re wishing for.

  • livefyrebob I wish everybody would speak up when they see something wrong. Don’t depend on others to do it for you.

  • All-Nudist.com

    This practice is likely to grow and become even harder to detect.  Preventing it may prove impossible in the long run as technology improves and mens desire to see naked women fails to diminish.
    It’s easy to say that nude folks shouldn’t be concerned, but the fact is that jobs, family relations, community standing, etc. ARE still still at stake and these photos are a deliberate threat to many.
    As more ‘real’ nudists shun nude beaches for those reasons, the pervs will take over and ultimately the beach will be closed to nudity, as we’ve seen worldwide.
    Sadly, no one has figured out a way to solve this issue, with the possible exception of South Florida Free Beaches and it’s tightly self-policed Haulover Beach.  Unfortunately, not all beaches manage such a good relationship with and support from local law enforcement, and a civilian ‘Beach Police’ without legal status is largely impotent.
    Amazingly, South Africa’s new nude beach has been attacked by some because it DOES have reasonable behavioral standards established by law!  It’s those ‘some’ people pretending to be nudists/naturists who will doom social nudism as they attempt to drag it down to their level, not those of us who know how to behave in a civilised manner without our clothes on.

  • All-Nudist.com

    BeachDave Excellent!

  • artclasmodl

    I disagree in part.

    The need to be secret about nudism/naturism is detrimental to the lifestyle.  Included in this is not letting it be known within your immediate circle that you do this activity. 

    That being said,the posting of any photo, textiled or not, without permission of the subject should be penalized.  The monetary portion of the result should be paid to the offended.

    We need to have less secrets.  There is a saying: 

    You’re as sick as your secrets.

  • massaga

    I have always wondered about this especially with advent of smart phones and ipads in a Naturist Club situation , there are people who take their phones and ipads to the club weather it is so their loved ones at home can keep in touch with them or have their ipads with them for perhaps work or study or reading a book online while relaxing in the sun.  I was at a naturist club and wanted to take photos of the lovely gardens so I got up early one morning before I thought others were about so they didn’t think I was I was taking photos of people, I came across another guy doing exactly the same thing.
    I guess unlike beaches , clubs have there own rules as far as photography is concerned and members of the club generally don’t take members of the club unless they have permission.
    It is hard to control those wandering onto a naturist beach and taking pics and the only control is self control in other words if you see someone taking pics politely ask them to reframe from this.

  • BeachDave Thank you for being such a good nude beach citizen and looking out for others!

  • JamChrisJoy It would be nice if society thought being nude was the same as being dressed. It’s definitely easier when you can just decide not to worry or think about it, but for many people, that’s not a solution.

  • livefyrebob

    As others have said, if people want to take my picture, they have very bad taste.
    For those of us who do not want to be photographed, may there always be those who are willing to confront the pervs and put a polite stop to their sick behavior.

  • Lamdba

    You’d have to be really careful, though, about submissions; I can see how something like that could be abused. It would probably be a good idea to verify the identity of the accuser, and at least one corroborating witness.

  • As a long time regular at Black’s Beach in San Diego, and founder of Friends Of Black’s Beach, I’ve dealt with my fair share of these people over the years. My first suggestion is to know your local laws. The last thing you want to do is get yourself in trouble. 
    I found that the best thing to do is polity confront them. I’m not a big guy, I can’t intimidate anybody, but I’ve found that they are so embarrassed by being caught, that they will do almost anything to have you leave them alone. Sometimes it’s better to have a woman approach them, then they’re really embarrassed.

    I politely ask them if they were taking pictures, if they say no, I ask if they could show me. If they weren’t, they should be happy to show you. I ask them to delete them and that usually works. Sometimes they say it’s a public beach and it’s OK for them to take photos. My comeback is that they know it’s wrong or they wouldn’t have the camera hidden, please delete the photos.

    As they’re deleting the photos, I tell them “that it is legal to take photos on a public beach, but it’s polite to ask first and that some people will let you, but if the wrong person sees you doing it, they may not ask you to delete the photos, but my just take your camera and throw it in the ocean. There may be 100 witnesses, but do you think you’ll get one of them to back you up. Are you going to go to the police and say that you were secretly taking photos of nude people and this guy took my camera. Please don’t do this” They usually leave right after this. I try to make it seem that I’m looking out for their safety. 
    I had one guy who wouldn’t delete the photos, I took his photo, which he didn’t like and they followed him all over the beach. Every time he sat down, I told everybody around him that he had a hidden camera, and I made sure he know by pointing him out. He left after about an hour. I saw him a few weeks later and positioned myself in front of his targets so that if he was filming again, all he would get was me, and he wasn’t filming men. Again, after about an hour he got fed up and left. I even told him that I planned to be there till sunset and had nothing else to do but ruin his day.

    I’ve sat with my crotch right in front of a suspected camera in a bag, I tried to make it a sport and tried to ruin their day before they could ruin somebody elses day.

    Most important to me is to be polite and know when to walk away. You won’t always win, but you will most of the time.

  • While it would be nice to see better legislation on this subject in the US, I would first like to see legislation establishing nude beaches and top free equality for those that want it.  It is hard to expect good legislation regarding privacy in clothing optional settings when so few have official status recognition.

    Ideally, if the nude human body was more accepted in this society, there would be less individuals looking to sneak a photo and less sites willing to exploit them.  If they don’t make money those sites would simply disappear.  I guess I can go back to dreaming now.

  • I go to private beaches and venues and haven’t had any issues. It helps being just among real nudists.

  • PeterVernon

    As you say the laws are more designed to get those that we’re putting cameras in changing rooms and toilets, both private and public and not so much in relation to beaches.
    That said here in NSW Waverley council did enact laws banning cameras on beaches, including Bondi, only to discover that these were infact not with in their jurisdiction.
    I think the idea of a photograph and shame site may well be a great idea, even for some of those that crawl the sand dunes of some of our beaches.

  • JamChrisJoy

    I have no more expectation of “privacy” on a Nude beach than on any other beach. Being Nude is the same as being dressed, so I wouldn’t care either way.