Nudist Erection and Issues Pertaining to Erections In Public

| July 23, 2013 | 123 Comments

Nudist Erection Issues With Nudist Erections in Public

Yes Erections are Natural but are an unwelcome sight in a a public nudist setting:

Nudist Erections – A number of articles out there deal with the (potentially overexposed!) topic of nude males with erections and nudism. Many who practice naturism feel that too much negative emphasis goes towards this naturally occurring event. Others within the community express the sentiment of “protecting” certain groups from what they perceive as an overtly sexual gesture. Religious aspects and societal views continue to make the penis and its actions an area of discussion within the nudist community.

Penis Erections Uncovered

An erection is typically defined as the physical result of additional blood traveling to an organ with erectile tissue, especially the penis or clitoris. In the U.S., “erection” is typically used for the male penis. In the penis, local tissue is home to a number of spongy chambers that remain soft, or flaccid, most of the time. Erections are typically associated with sexual maturation and arousal. That said, studies show that prepubescent boys also experience occasional hardening of the penis.

An interesting component to erections includes the act of involuntary hardening. Sexually oriented thoughts are NOT the only thing that causes the male penis to rise to the occasion. It’s normal for guys to get erect several times a day for no particular reason. Also, any act that generates blood flow to the lower portion of the body, like sports, can be enough to trigger an erection. It’s also normal for a man to get erect during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep. Erections can be impossible to control, especially among younger males. So an erection does not automatically signal sexual arousal; however, society still almost exclusively associates it with sexual arousal. Erections can subside on their own or after ejaculation.

Nudist Erections

Nudist Erection Issues

Size of an Erect Penis

While we’re on the subject, we may as well address penis size. Most naturists see for themselves that penises vary greatly in size, shape and appearance. Just for reference, the average size when flaccid is 3 – 4 inches long and average erection size is 5 – 6 inches long. But please note: most penises that fall outside of these ranges are still normal. These are simply averages.

You might already know about sizes, but did you know that flaccid size does not determine erection size ? A small penis may grow quite a few inches in length while a longer penis might not grow much at all. For guys with the former, this is where the phrase “I’m a grower, not a shower” comes in.

Popular culture promotes the idea that small is shameful, and bigger is always better for sex. A lot of mainstream pornography features men with big penises for entertainment value. In reality, many women would agree that bigger does not mean better. Sex educators correct this myth by saying it’s not the size of your penis that matters as much as what you do with it. Many women would prefer a small or average-size penis over a large one. (Of course there are people who prefer certain sizes – small and large! – or who fetishize certain sizes.)

Sexual matters aside, in naturist settings, there is no need to feel ashamed or embarrassed about your penis size. Everyone looks different, and naturists could generally care less about the size of your penis, or any body part for that matter.

Penile Erections in Religion and Society

Massage therapist Sarah Ryan-Knox explored the dilemma of male erections within her profession. Her piece on handling the situation professionally included a section where co-workers expressed conflicted emotions about dealing with a stimulated client. While most therapists understand that massage could cause involuntary erections, some felt the session might deviate from the therapeutic and into the sexual territory. Clients expressed feelings of embarrassment at the thought of potential erections when they really have no reason to feel shame. Ryan-Knox went on to explain why the penis still has a bad reputation in modern society.

A 5th century philosopher by the name of Augustine helped to shape religious opinion regarding the penis and all of its actions. While the seeds of Western Christianity were in their infant stages, Augustine touted the connection between erections, lust and sin. Previous generations admired the penis and its connection to masculinity. But a rapidly changing society began to see the organ as the root of evil. This shift in perception left an impression that still causes issues today.

Antiquated torture devices demonstrate the fear and hate associated with erections. Cages lined with spikes, metal codpieces and electroshock machines emerged to help men handle their “embarrassing” condition. Many households utilized these contraptions until the early 20th century.

Psychologists discovered that religion also plays a major part in sexual issues expressed by many of their current patients. A 2011 article for Examiner.com illustrated how deeply religious families teach children that sex is a dirty / taboo topic and anything dealing with the sexual organs is wrong. These attitudes carry over into adulthood and taint everything from romantic relationships to public interactions. In situations where physical abuse did not exist, extreme religious teachings fostered many dysfunctions and strong opinions.

Nudist Erection – The Nudist Views on Getting a Penis Erection in a Public Setting or Event

“What if I get an erection?” is the number one question among guys looking to try social nudity. For some, the fear of getting an erection is enough to curb their interest in it. The fact is, erections are talked about way more than they actually occur in nudist settings. Many have trouble separating nudity and sexuality in their minds and can’t imagine how a social nude setting could be anything but arousing. But once they experience it and get used to it, they can see that it’s no more overtly sexual than the public textile beach (and in reality, a nude beach is even less so!).

In the nudist community, the established nudist erection etiquette is to cover up with a towel or go in the water until the moment passes. In nudist resorts / clubs, having an involuntary erection or temporary arousal is usually tolerated as long as guys are discrete about it. However, flaunting or walking around with a prolonged visible erection is typically against the rules and may result in being asked to leave. The reasoning being that flaunting an erection is an inappropriate sexual behavior / advance and will make others uncomfortable.

Some naturists see nothing wrong with involuntary erections and believe there is too much shame and embarrassment surrounding a natural bodily function. In a forum discussion on the topic, users illustrate many random moments where a situation could arise, during a communal movie or in the midst of a volleyball game. Some naturists don’t think guys should even have to cover up when it happens because it’s simply “natural.” Of course the counterargument is that sex itself is also “natural,” yet most naturists do not have sex in public (and surely not during a naturist or nudist function).

Some naturists feel the need to protect children and other groups from sexual exposure. Parents fear the vision of an erect male will send their progeny into a state of confusion and cause psychological scarring.

A small percentage of naturists wrote about respecting the needs of individuals who experienced prior abuse and assault. The sight of an erect penis could trigger unpleasant memories in victims of sexual crime.

Harden Nipples vs. Penis Erections  – A Double Standard?

There are formal rules and behavior etiquette in place for male erections, but finding similar information for females is next to impossible. This is where the double standards come into play. Once again, some people within the nudist community feel that penis and nipple erections are naturally occurring functions. Others connect penis erections to instant sexual arousal and potential danger, while trivializing similar female responses.

Feedback wanted about nudist erections and getting penis erections in public:

So now it’s your turn to share your thoughts. Do you feel that naturists need to loosen up in regards to male erections and become more tolerant of this “natural function” of the penis? Or should erections never be tolerated in a naturist / nudist environment?

An erection, even an involuntary one, is often a source of shame and embarrassment and stops some guys from even trying naturism. Should we alter the current erection etiquette so as to not promote body shame?

What do you say to guys who are afraid of getting an erection in a naturist setting?

This post about the “dreaded” Nudist Erection was published by – Young Naturists and Nudists America

References:

http://www.examiner.com/article/sexual-dysfunction-brought-on-by-societal-and-religious-constraints

http://www.abmp.com/textonlymags/article.php?article=629

http://www.nudist-resorts.org/talk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4539

http://the-naked-life.blogspot.com/2011/06/nudism-erections.html

http://www.clothesfreeforum.com/showthread.php?4185-Nudists-acceptance-of-erections

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/body/articles/lifecycle/teenagers/erections.shtml

http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-most-brutal-anti-masturbation-devices/robert-wabash?format=SLIDESHOW&page=7

Tags: , , , , , ,

Category: Nudism and Naturism, Sex Positive and Sexuality, Social Activism, Social Nudity

About the Author ()

Jordan Blum is a lifelong nudie and co-founder of Young Naturists America.
127 comments
frenzyfirehouse
frenzyfirehouse

I've been interested in nudism and naturism for a while now, but I've decided to not attend any beaches, events, or groups. The naturist scene is terribly hypocritical. Even here male sexuality is vilified. Erections are evil and dangerous, and sexuality is still shamed! If naturism is about removing body shame, and sexuality is part of what we are, then I'll have no part. This is not me looking for an easy lay or an excuse to ogle and not be chastised, this is not an excuse for me to wag my hard dick around or any other debasing, degrading, predatory thing I've been told I'm doing when I say this - I will not join a nudist group that has problems with male erections or sexuality. I can understand screening men for predatory behavior since it's still so prevalent in society, but I will not join a group that takes the physical clothes off just to keep the mind's clothes on. And I will not cover my erection like I should be ashamed of myself. It doesn't scar kids. Hell, sex doesn't scar kids! It's all about how parents react - if parents react with fear and instill fear about sex and villify erections, then that's what kids are going to learn - that sex is bad and penises are dangerous.

DaxDruckman
DaxDruckman

Great topic.  I am a nudist and I am a male also.  I have had an erection at a nudist resort.  Not a big deal and it is natural to have an erection.  Part of being male and should not be looked down on.  Humans are sexual beings and that is a fact.  We have sex organs and should not be afraid to show them and sometimes things can arise.  I personally had an erection and nobody said anything at this resort.  And yes I also did ejaculate, but again it is part of being human.  Nudists should not have a problem with being sexual.  I see nothing wrong with having an erection and you should not have to cover it with a towel or hide it.  Just my opinion and be proud to be a male (Human).

cheri_donna
cheri_donna

That is the most asked question from those males who want to experience nudism for themselves. It is very understandable when trying something new for the first time to be anxious be it driving a new car, sky diving or visiting a nudist venue. The anxiety itself will generally prevent any embarrassment (medically speaking).It rarely happens, but since bare etiquette demands you sit on your own towel, cover up, roll over, go for a swim. Yes, it`s natural, but it`s not appropriate in a genuine nudist setting. It can and does offend others. There are other natural functions as well that I don`t want to witness in a nudist settingIt my 40+ years of being a nudist, I`ve witnessed an erection only twice at a nudist park. One man was parading around with it, he was quickly escorted off the grounds. The second time, a fellow was napping. Someone tapped his shoulder, and the fellow turned over. The more often you are nude, the more comfortable you will be.

dallasnudistcultureEx
dallasnudistcultureEx

What happens if I get an erection? This is a very common question fromthose new to social nudity but frankly it rarely happens. But if does, then noproblem. Everyone around you will start pointing and laughing at you until somemesomorph/homophobe thinks he sees you looking at his girlfriend/self and beatsyou to a pulp. After this happens a number of times you get conditioned to golimp at the sight of a naked body. So as you can see, it isn't really anythingto worry about it. :)

leejason021
leejason021

how does an erection indicate a subconscious sexual connotation?

cheri_donna
cheri_donna

Konata888  The more a person is nude, at home, beach or nudist venue, the less often any problems will surface.

tsavopoulos69
tsavopoulos69

nice topic. i've always wanted to try nudism, but thought better not to because of the erection issue. dont want to offend anyone. i view the female anatomy as fine art but sometimes the bottom head just does its own thing no matter what the top head does.

davepabian
davepabian

RobertEbersold NotanlinesGuy  "I had to concentrate on my drawing... to make sure an erection didn't happen!" - so what happens naturally when you're clothed isn't allowed to happen when you're naked. This needing to prove one's a good little rule-follower is bad enough, but the real problem is the fundamental dishonesty of "approved" ghettoized naturist venues where basic human naturalness is fascistically controlled.  No one but no one has any right to tell anyone else to "lose that erection or else!"- Such snarky puritan boner police need to be told, Sorry, it's my body and my basic human instinct, it's most likely not inspired by you, and so you have nothing to do with it.

RobertEbersold
RobertEbersold

NotanlinesGuyLast month I was at an artist gathering at a private farm. Several people I've never met, male and female, old and young, two of which were young, very beautiful girls. All of were naked, and all of us took turns posing for the others to paint or draw. It was fun, we had good conversation, and good artistic practice. I will admit there were a few times where I had to concentrate on my drawing and relax my groin muscles to make sure an erection didn't happen! However, after an hour or so, it wasn't the nudity that mattered, it was the people and the art. Once you 'forget' that you are naked, you can get on with the regular activities. By the time to clean up for lunch, we didn't want to put clothes back on! (But we did, out of respect for the other artists who did not join us in the naked area.)

bodyworks2010
bodyworks2010

Sound like a great time, I would love to have been there...

RobertEbersold
RobertEbersold

NotanlinesGuy JohnThomas1 Heather Avalon Last month I was at an artist gathering at a private farm. Several people I've never met, male and female, old and young, two of which were young, very beautiful girls. All of were naked, and all of us took turns posing for the others to paint or draw. It was fun, we had good conversation, and good artistic practice. I will admit there were a few times where I had to concentrate on my drawing and relax my groin muscles to make sure an erection didn't happen! However, after an hour or so, it wasn't the nudity that mattered, it was the people and the art. Once you 'forget' that you are naked, you can get on with the regular activities. By the time to clean up for lunch, we didn't want to put clothes back on! (But we did, out of respect for the other artists who did not join us in the naked area.)

bodyworks2010
bodyworks2010

Well said...another truth, amazing! It is truly stunning that anyone would be so ignorant as to think such twisted ideas were facts, and even more absurd that anyone would have ever posted such.Maybe a few will actually see the truth in what you said here.

bodyworks2010
bodyworks2010

Very well stated. The truth, for once, thanks.

davepabian
davepabian

It's an interesting article, but the tone seems a little too "careful," as if not wanting to offend some imagined person or group with basic human facts.  Even the second paragraph contains a dodge with the line about pre-pubescent boys experiencing "occasional hardening of the penis," instead of just writing that they get erections.  I remember as a pre-pubescent boy getting lots of erections and most if not all of them were the result of some sort of sexual stimulation (whatever that might constitute for an 8-year-old boy).  The sentimental feminist-driven myth that children don't experience sexual thoughts is one of the biggest lies we pretend to.  I can't speak for girls (except for one 10-year-old I knew as a child), but I sure know what we boys talked about, even though we really didn't know what we were talking about.  And I don't think my elementary school was an island of precocious sexuality with the rest of the country experiencing the untroubled nirvana of pure childhood innocence.As for nudism, I like how a friend expresses it - current established social nudism is mostly about not really being naked.  Men get erections often for any number of reasons (the warm sun, a sensuous breeze, even sometimes a bumpy ride in a vehicle), but somehow when it's at a nudist venue it becomes something in another category with all sorts of stupid pejorative admonitions about it.  Many social settings have a sexual component and nudist settings are no exception, but nudists sometimes, often understandably, go to extremes denying sexuality because they're too often perceived as being ONLY about sexuality, which is also crazy.In our politically correct, post-psychobabble world, everyone's on the defensive about not offending someone.  Those who self-righteously pronounce erections as potentially damaging to a victim of a sexual crime seem to me to be suffering from the displaced sentimentality that the worst thing that anyone can experience has to be related to sexuality, thereby offensively trivializing real trauma, like seeing one's parents murdered, or experiencing hideous physical pain or dismemberment, or being kept in a box for 20 years.  But the sight of a penis, even a hard one, even one being masturbated, causes irreparable harm?  Get real.  The harm comes from a society hammering away at the lie that sexual acts have more damage-potential than anything else and the peculiar American penchant for publicly basking in the sacred spotlight of Victimhood.  No one suggests that some book or movie about a serial killer should be banned because it might trigger bad memories in a survivor or survivor's family, or that I shouldn't be allowed at a nudist venue because the sight of my circumcised penis might trigger sadness in some neo-nazi that the reich didn't last 1000 years, or that my being bald might remind someone of their violent alcoholic Uncle Carl.  All right, I've overplayed this argument, but the damaged inner child defense is one of the stupidest aspects of our maudlin cultural degeneracy.Some of the comments here ask in downright challenging tones if getting an erection for being naked proves a subconscious sexual connotation.  So what if it does?  There's no thought behind the accusation, just an offensively aggressive pose of standing on some moral high-ground.  There's nothing more offensive than puritanical accusatory thought police.I'm not advocating marching around to show off an erect penis, but just having one?  Who cares.  And no one should feel compelled or pressured to hide it.  The idea that being human should be kept a secret except in certain accepted ghettos of behavior is pretty insane.But that's true of nudity also.  I advocate for the freedom of being naked anywhere anytime because being naked is just being one's self.  Concealing that self with reconstituted animals, plants and plastic is taking an action, making a statement, asserting one's position in life, and totally unnatural.

EstellaDavis
EstellaDavis

I BELIEVE THAT NUDIST COLONIES SHOULD REGULATE LIKE AARP.  IN OTHER WORDS, WAIT ON IT.  THE WORTH IS IN THE WAIT.  THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE NON SEXUAL BASIS OF THE GROUP.  I THINK OVER EMPHASIZING YOUTH OR YOUNG WOULD BE SELF DEFEATING AND UNFAIR TO THE YOUTH TO HAVE THEM DENY THEIR SEXUALITY WHILE THEY ARE YOUNG.  THE MEMBERSHIP MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING A DECLINE BECAUSE OF THE COMING OUT OF SO MANY GAYS OR SAME SEX INDIVIDUALS AND COUPLES.

boss1
boss1

Great article. Very informative and thorough. Some of the arguments against accepting an erection seem like the same arguments against nudism. I would also venture to guess that it would be good to accept all penis states erection so people understand how they work. An erection doesn't mean I'm going to attack anyone anymore than being nude does. I'm not ashamed of my penis. I'm proud of my penis.

bodyworks2010
bodyworks2010

Im fair sure if we took an accurate survey of men and boys, we would see clearly that for most if not all nonnudist raised mails, the bodies first and inviluntary responce to the mind experiencing being fully nude in public, even if no one is nearby, is an almost immediate full erection. This responce will disipate and not often occur after several experiences of getting nude in public...

garyfpatton
garyfpatton

Mostly a good article, Jordan. I wold have preferred to see some references for the author's undocumented comments about all those so-called non-natural  reasons for erections. I got nervous about his opinions when he refers to Augustine's heyday in the early 5th Century as a time when "the seeds of Western http://nudistnaturistamerica.org/christianity-and-nudism were in their infant stages". The seeds of Catholic theology were being sown by Bishop Augistine in North Africa then, yes! But the roots of true Jesus Following had been clearly laid down in generally-accepted and taught Gospels and letters 400 years before.In my experience, I'd argue that the chemicals have to surge in the conscious or subconscious mid before the blood boils in the groin. I'd suggest male concerns are really about their lack of self-control around the issue of natural nudity.

Konata888
Konata888

The first time I went to a nudist beach I spent several hours covering my penis with a towel because as soon as I removed it I'd get an erection. I hadn't had any sexual thoughts and wasn't attracted to anyone on the beach (there was only 2 or 3 people there most of the time), so it was purely a response to being naked in sight of other people.Eventually I was able to resist erection for longer periods by distracting myself from my own nudity through visualising scenes from my favourite action movies. Still, it seemed strange to be carrying a towel everywhere I walked in case of erection.

elibeiler
elibeiler

An erection isn't always sexual, therefore it should be tolerated. usually the one that gets uncomfortable arousements is the one to deal with.

vanguardjag
vanguardjag

Having a simple, spontaneous erection should not cause men

to be chastised or feel ashamed. After all, if it wasn't for them,

we wouldn't be having this discussion - because NONE of us

would even be here. Think about that, boner police. Erections

can and do "pop up" occasionally, without provocation or any

conscious thought.  That's just the physiology of the penis, in

conjunction with the autonomic nervous system.If an erection

occurs, the most common sense thing for the man  (as WELL

AS others in the area)  is to simply ignore it and continue do-

ing whatever they were doing before - talking, dancing, playing

volleyball, etc.  It is common knowledge that unless manually

stimulated, an erect penis will usually soften within short time,

& the few that might have even noticed would not be offended.

Running 2 the pool, or covering "it" (the "devil") with proverbial

towel would only draw more attention to the "problem"  (U ever

heard of the "tenting" effect?) which would in turn be evn more

embarrassing to the poor guy. As long as the guy nonchalantly

continued what he was doing, without sexual gestures & words, 

fondling it,etc. he shouldn't have to hide his so-called "problem"

from anybody, becaus the "problem" would go away on its own

in a short time, typically. In the rare event the erection persist-

ed for more than a few minutes, he could just casually excuse

himself & retreat to a more secluded setting until the "problem"

subsided. It should be the behaviour of the fellow with a woody

that is noted - NOT the size or angle or the woody itself. Darn.

naked26
naked26

@DaxDruckman

may i aks what nude resort you went that you had a erection were there totally fine with it 

mystiqmajor
mystiqmajor

@DaxDruckman I agree with everything you said,…um, but, unless you were at an adult park where sex was a feature on the beach…where did the fact that you ejaculated come into the picture?  I mean, a hard on is one thing….an ejaculation typically does not happen without focused and deliberate effort to make it happen.  You mention ejaculation like its normal to be shooting off publicly all over nude beaches.  That confuses me about your post…  

vanguardjag
vanguardjag

Good for you, davepabian. Your above remark in which you said,

"No one has the right to tell anyone else to 'lose that erection or

else' - such snarky puritan boner police need to be told, Sorry, it's

my body and my basic human instinct, andi it's most likely not in-

spired by you" is dead on.  Sounded to me like a great response

to "officer" Cheri Donna, lol. From viewing her photo, and reading

her opinions, I would agree with what U said about any erections

you had not being inspired by her (goes double for me). If all the

women in nudist venues looked & sounded like this woman, it is

for sure there would never be any more erection "problems" that

would have to be dealt with. I see myself as pretty much of what

one could call a common sense, libertarian, middle of the road in

all areas of life type of guy,  including my views on the nudist life

style. From my perspective, people like Cheri Donna are about as

close to the lunatic fringe from their extreme viewpoint, as those

who would advocate parading around with an erection, flaunting it,

trying to cause it to happen, etc., are, in the other direction. Both

extremes, in my opinion, have no place in general social nudism.

davepabian
davepabian

bodyworks2010 Thanks buddy!  I appreciate all your comments.  Please feel free to email me at fegsnuyk@sharklasers.com - Hope to hear from you!

annaliddell
annaliddell

@EstellaDavis 


Nudism has historically been for the older generations. Certainly young people have participated and are always welcome but most people get involved in their older years.

I know this is an young naturalist blog and I am certainly not saying young people should be excluded but the idea that WE MUST get young people involved hasn't been shown to be historically accurate.  Even in the 1970s they were talking about the need to get young people involved as essential to nudism's survival and here we are 40 years later talking about the same thing.

CheriAlexander1
CheriAlexander1

EstellaDavis  Please take off your CAPS lock.  Online that's the equivalent to SCREAMING.  Thank you.  Among the nudist populations are also Gay and Bi individuals who are welcome to nudist venues since overt sexuality is not there.

JohnThomas1
JohnThomas1

boss1 "Accept all erections so people see how they work"?? Oh please. Nobody is saying men should be ashamed of their penises. But there is a huge difference between having pride in it and displaying it inappropriately. Since erections can indicate sexual desire and make others feel like they are being looked at for sexual reasons - something they want to get away from at nudist places - it is wrong to walk around with an erection.

CheriAlexander1
CheriAlexander1

boss1  Overt sexuality has closed a number of nudist venues.

Heather Avalon
Heather Avalon

Konata888 I'm not a guy, but it seems to me that if the act of being naked in the sight of other people causes you to get an erection there must be some  subconscious sexual connotation to social nudity for you, no?

MALCOLMSEEKEE
MALCOLMSEEKEE

Konata888 I have exactly the same problem,  which is why I will never be joining a closed nudist club,  the first time I went to casuarina nudist beach I isolated my self and only go from my towel to the ocean and back again only, and still do.

briananthonykraemer
briananthonykraemer

elibeiler Something's definitely off with this logic. Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough to think of a great example of why this is off, but I know it's off. What I know is that an erection usually IS sexual and therefore if one is present in a community where open sexual behavior is not wanted, then that erection should be hidden. A flaccid penis is not sexual, but an erect one IS in the same way that a disengaged brain is not bright, but a working one IS.

annaliddell
annaliddell

@JohnThomas1 

This is really a non-issue for people who have been to nudist venues.  Erections rarely happen.  I think telling men to just cover it with the towel is sufficient in the way they tell you about how you can use your seat as a floatation device in case of a water landing.


The man would go knowing that there's is a easy answer for the problem if it should occur, but then once they go they will realize what a non-issue it really is.

Konata888
Konata888

Heather Avalon Konata888 It's hard to know what's going on in my subconscious. I certainly felt very nervous and self-conscious as I had not even been seen naked by another person since I was a child.Society taught me from a young age that clothing was a must in any public area, so I felt somewhat like a deviant as I undressed and my emotions (mainly fear, but also excitement at breaking the pyschological barrier) were running strong. It's rare for me to have that combination of emotions, perhaps my brain subconsciously associated them with the feeling of arousal.

CheriAlexander1
CheriAlexander1

briananthonykraemer elibeiler  An erect penis is usually perceived as a sign of aggression to most.  The more often you are nude, the less chance of that happening

elibeiler
elibeiler

briananthonykraemer elibeiler I didn't say never, it sometimes is, but not always. Sometimes, I get an erection with no sexual drive at all.

MALCOLMSEEKEE
MALCOLMSEEKEE

So what you are trying to say, is that every new born, male, baby that has it's nappy changed for the first time, that urinates with a erection is sexual, despite that he has no knowledge and interest in sex or nudity.

j238
j238

Konata888 The fact that no one had seen you naked before was worthy of a mention by you.  If you were over, let's say, 22 at the time, that is unusual.

Konata888
Konata888

j238 My history of being clothed is not an issue or even unusual, I was just explaining why I felt so afraid about being naked. Also, it's very true that many people avoid nudism because they are ashamed of their erections. I didn't give up because I had a strong determination to make being nude something I could enjoy.

j238
j238

Konata888 Heather Avalon Thanks for sharing all that.  Hopefully, you took steps to keep it hidden at the time.And if no one has seen you naked since childhood, even in private, that's another issue.

CheriAlexander1
CheriAlexander1

davepabian CheriAlexander1 briananthonykraemer elibeiler   Dave, your profile is not filled out.  Are you actually a nudist?  What is your age? How long have you been one and how many nudist venues have you visited???   There are no nudist police.  It was the club's owner who tapped him on the shoulder while he was napping.  Courtesy is important in any society.  I do not wish to see things that should be private in public.  It can scare off a new nudist, female nudist or child.  I've been a nudist for over 45 of my 65 years.  I appreciate being in a non-sexual nudist venue rather than a location where any behaviour is tolerated.  I will not respond to you again.

davepabian
davepabian

CheriAlexander1 davepabian briananthonykraemer elibeiler Someone tapped him on the shoulder.  How nice of you to be pleased that the nudist boner police were in action - and how warm and toasty and self-satisfied the little nudist neighborhood watch guy must have felt in making a seriously aggressive display for those around him to admire how diligently he was monitoring things for their "comfort."  This idea of not wanting people to be uncomfortable goes back to my first comment - where to draw the line; you can't because there is none.  The disfigured person, the old person, the man, the woman, the post-mastectomy, the homosexual, the straight guy, can all make someone somewhere "uncomfortable," and what constitutes comfortzone acceptability changes all the time.  In 1933 Germany finding a Jew sitting next to you (I'm using the generic collective 'you' of course) would make you uncomfortable and you'd be allowed to self-righteously announce it to great social approval.  An African-American at a nudist club in 1960 Alabama... get off these grounds and never come back, everyone's uncomfortable with you here!  I'm not interested in making sure no one's uncomfortable in my presence, and it's not because I aggressively exhibit offensive behavior.  It's because I know there's always someone who experiences ego-pleasure by demonstrating to others his/her precious sensitivity by aggressively demanding their private comfortzone, and the completely subjectively imagined one of others nearby, be respected.  Sorry, I do not respect smug, puritan, group-think fascists.

davepabian
davepabian

CheriAlexander1 davepabian briananthonykraemer elibeiler Both male and female employees of universities (not to mention their sadly malleable students) are notoriously prone to be susceptible to fashionable postmodern misinformation (to use a word of extreme understatement).

CheriAlexander1
CheriAlexander1

davepabian briananthonykraemer elibeiler additionally, you seem to not care about those around you.   I've only witnessed an erection twice at a nudist venue over the 45 of my 65 years of being a nudist.  Once the man was flaunting it, and he was escorted off grounds. The 2nd time the fellow was napping, someone tapped him on the shoulder, and he turned over on his stomach.  The latter was offering to make those around him more comfortable.

CheriAlexander1
CheriAlexander1

davepabian CheriAlexander1 briananthonykraemer elibeiler  The sociology texts in which the erection being a sign of aggression is written by a well-known MALE Sociology professor at a well-known University

davepabian
davepabian

CheriAlexander1 briananthonykraemer elibeiler I have no idea of what world anyone is living in or would want to live in where an erection is "usually perceived as a sign of aggression."  This is un-thinking feminist cant, hypocritically pious and totally untrue.  Anyone who would claim to think of a man's erection as aggressive is someone who has to be barely conscious of reality and chooses instead to live by specious academic theories that have no relevance to anyone's actual life or experience.  The fact is, what someone thinks of my erection or any other part of my body in any situation is irrelevant to me, as I'm not interested in being confronted with the fascist little worlds of smug puritans that so many want to live in (witness a good amount of the comments here).  Anyone who sees an erect penis as a sign of aggression is astoundingly stupid and had better switch over to women if they're so ignorant, terrified and resentful of men.  I don't know if Cheri herself thinks this of erections, but to even report the "fact" as a serious concern shows at best a laziness in rational examination of the issue.

briananthonykraemer
briananthonykraemer

MALCOLMSEEKEE You're not a newborn male baby getting his nappy changed for the first time, so don't use this as an argument for why your adult erection isn't sexual. If you've got some good rational explanations, use them. I'm totally open to logical explanations of anything, but "baby nappy" examples aren't explanations for adult erections.

vanguardjag
vanguardjag

@CheriAlexander1 I'm sure that would

break Daves' heart, along with a lot of the rest of us, lol. (not),  You apparently rep- resent that segment of the nudist move-

ment I would refer to as "the smug, self

appointed thought poiice"', whereas I wd.

consider Dave's outlook to be more in th

middle of the road. The other extreme is

those who would argue walking around w,

an erection (parading?) anytime is OK. I

think both extremes are detrimental 2 the

health & enjoyment of social nudism.