Male Erections And Nudists
An erection is typically defined as the physical result of additional blood traveling to an organ with erectile tissue, especially the penis or clitoris. In the U.S., “erection” is typically used for the male penis. In the penis, local tissue is home to a number of spongy chambers that remain soft, or flaccid, most of the time. Erections are typically associated with sexual maturation and arousal. That said, studies show that pre-pubescent boys also experience occasional hardening of the penis.
An interesting component to erections includes the act of involuntary hardening. Sexually oriented thoughts are NOT the only thing that causes the male penis to rise to the occasion. It’s normal for guys to get erect several times a day for no particular reason. Also, any act that generates blood flow to the lower portion of the body, like sports, can be enough to trigger an erection. It’s also normal for a man to get erect during REM (rapid eye movement) sleep. Erections can be impossible to control, especially among younger males. So an erection does not automatically signal sexual arousal; however, society still almost exclusively associates it with sexual arousal. Erections can subside on their own or after ejaculation.
Size of an Erect Penis
While we’re on the subject, we may as well address penis size. Most naturists see for themselves that penises vary greatly in size, shape and appearance. Just for reference, the average size when flaccid is 3 – 4 inches long and average erection size is 5 – 6 inches long. But please note: most penises that fall outside of these ranges are still normal. These are simply averages.
You might already know about sizes, but did you know that flaccid size does not determine erection size ? A small penis may grow quite a few inches in length while a longer penis might not grow much at all. For guys with the former, this is where the phrase “I’m a grower, not a shower” comes in.
Popular culture promotes the idea that small is shameful, and bigger is always better for sex. A lot of mainstream pornography features men with big penises for entertainment value. In reality, many women would agree that bigger does not mean better. Sex educators correct this myth by saying it’s not the size of your penis that matters as much as what you do with it. Many women would prefer a small or average-size penis over a large one. (Of course there are people who prefer certain sizes – small and large! – or who fetishize certain sizes.)
Sexual matters aside, in naturist settings, there is no need to feel ashamed or embarrassed about your penis size. Everyone looks different, and naturists could generally care less about the size of your penis, or any body part for that matter.
Erections in Religion and Society
Massage therapist Sarah Ryan-Knox explored the dilemma of male erections within her profession. Her piece on handling the situation professionally included a section where co-workers expressed conflicted emotions about dealing with a stimulated client. While most therapists understand that massage could cause involuntary erections, some felt the session might deviate from the therapeutic and into the sexual territory. Clients expressed feelings of embarrassment at the thought of potential erections when they really have no reason to feel shame. Ryan-Knox went on to explain why the penis still has a bad reputation in modern society.
A 5th century philosopher by the name of Augustine helped to shape religious opinion regarding the penis and all of its actions. While the seeds of Western Christianity were in their infant stages, Augustine touted the connection between erections, lust and sin. Previous generations admired the penis and its connection to masculinity. But a rapidly changing society began to see the organ as the root of evil. This shift in perception left an impression that still causes issues today.
Antiquated torture devices demonstrate the fear and hate associated with erections. Cages lined with spikes, metal codpieces and electroshock machines emerged to help men handle their “embarrassing” condition. Many households utilized these contraptions until the early 20th century.
Psychologists discovered that religion also plays a major part in sexual issues expressed by many of their current patients. A 2011 article for Examiner.com illustrated how deeply religious families teach children that sex is a dirty / taboo topic and anything dealing with the sexual organs is wrong. These attitudes carry over into adulthood and taint everything from romantic relationships to public interactions. In situations where physical abuse did not exist, extreme religious teachings fostered many dysfunctions and strong opinions.
Nudist Erection – The Nudist Views on Erections
“What if I get an erection?” is the number one question among guys looking to try social nudity. For some, the fear of getting an erection is enough to curb their interest in it. The fact is, erections are talked about way more than they actually occur in nudist settings. Many have trouble separating nudity and sexuality in their minds and can’t imagine how a social nude setting could be anything but arousing. But once they experience it and get used to it, they can see that it’s no more overtly sexual than the public textile beach (and in reality, a nude beach is even less so!).
In the nudist community, the established etiquette is to cover up with a towel or go in the water until the moment passes. In nudist resorts / clubs, having an involuntary erection or temporary arousal is usually tolerated as long as guys are discrete about it. However, flaunting or walking around with a prolonged visible erection is typically against the rules and may result in being asked to leave. The reasoning being that flaunting an erection is an inappropriate sexual behavior / advance and will make others uncomfortable.
Some naturists see nothing wrong with involuntary erections and believe there is too much shame and embarrassment surrounding a natural bodily function. In a forum discussion on the topic, users illustrate many random moments where a situation could arise, during a communal movie or in the midst of a volleyball game. Some naturists don’t think guys should even have to cover up when it happens because it’s simply “natural.” Of course the counterargument is that sex itself is also “natural,” yet most naturists do not have sex in public (and surly not during a naturist or nudist function).
Some naturists feel the need to protect children and other groups from sexual exposure. Parents fear the vision of an erect male will send their progeny into a state of confusion and cause psychological scarring.
A small percentage of naturists wrote about respecting the needs of individuals who experienced prior abuse and assault. The sight of an erect penis could trigger unpleasant memories in victims of sexual crime.
There are formal rules and etiquette in place for male erections, but finding similar information for females is next to impossible. This is where the double standards come into play. Once again, some people within the nudist community feel that penis and nipple erections are naturally occurring functions. Others connect penis erections to instant sexual arousal and potential danger, while trivializing similar female responses.
So now it’s your turn to share your thoughts. Do you feel that naturists need to loosen up in regards to male erections and become more tolerant of this “natural function” of the penis? Or should erections never be tolerated in a naturist / nudist environment?
An erection, even an involuntary one, is often a source of shame and embarrassment and stops some guys from even trying naturism. Does we alter the current erection etiquette so as not to promote body shame?
What do you say to guys who are afraid of getting an erection in a naturist setting?
About the Author (Author Profile)Jordan Blum is a lifelong nudie and co-founder of Young Naturists America.
nice topic. i've always wanted to try nudism, but thought better not to because of the erection issue. dont want to offend anyone. i view the female anatomy as fine art but sometimes the bottom head just does its own thing no matter what the top head does.
Well said...another truth, amazing!
It is truly stunning that anyone would be so ignorant as to think such twisted ideas were facts, and even more absurd that anyone would have ever posted such.
Maybe a few will actually see the truth in what you said here.
It's an interesting article, but the tone seems a little too "careful," as if not wanting to offend some imagined person or group with basic human facts. Even the second paragraph contains a dodge with the line about pre-pubescent boys experiencing "occasional hardening of the penis," instead of just writing that they get erections. I remember as a pre-pubescent boy getting lots of erections and most if not all of them were the result of some sort of sexual stimulation (whatever that might constitute for an 8-year-old boy). The sentimental feminist-driven myth that children don't experience sexual thoughts is one of the biggest lies we pretend to. I can't speak for girls (except for one 10-year-old I knew as a child), but I sure know what we boys talked about, even though we really didn't know what we were talking about. And I don't think my elementary school was an island of precocious sexuality with the rest of the country experiencing the untroubled nirvana of pure childhood innocence.
As for nudism, I like how a friend expresses it - current established social nudism is mostly about not really being naked. Men get erections often for any number of reasons (the warm sun, a sensuous breeze, even sometimes a bumpy ride in a vehicle), but somehow when it's at a nudist venue it becomes something in another category with all sorts of stupid pejorative admonitions about it. Many social settings have a sexual component and nudist settings are no exception, but nudists sometimes, often understandably, go to extremes denying sexuality because they're too often perceived as being ONLY about sexuality, which is also crazy.
In our politically correct, post-psychobabble world, everyone's on the defensive about not offending someone. Those who self-righteously pronounce erections as potentially damaging to a victim of a sexual crime seem to me to be suffering from the displaced sentimentality that the worst thing that anyone can experience has to be related to sexuality, thereby offensively trivializing real trauma, like seeing one's parents murdered, or experiencing hideous physical pain or dismemberment, or being kept in a box for 20 years. But the sight of a penis, even a hard one, even one being masturbated, causes irreparable harm? Get real. The harm comes from a society hammering away at the lie that sexual acts have more damage-potential than anything else and the peculiar American penchant for publicly basking in the sacred spotlight of Victimhood. No one suggests that some book or movie about a serial killer should be banned because it might trigger bad memories in a survivor or survivor's family, or that I shouldn't be allowed at a nudist venue because the sight of my circumcised penis might trigger sadness in some neo-nazi that the reich didn't last 1000 years, or that my being bald might remind someone of their violent alcoholic Uncle Carl. All right, I've overplayed this argument, but the damaged inner child defense is one of the stupidest aspects of our maudlin cultural degeneracy.
Some of the comments here ask in downright challenging tones if getting an erection for being naked proves a subconscious sexual connotation. So what if it does? There's no thought behind the accusation, just an offensively aggressive pose of standing on some moral high-ground. There's nothing more offensive than puritanical accusatory thought police.
I'm not advocating marching around to show off an erect penis, but just having one? Who cares. And no one should feel compelled or pressured to hide it. The idea that being human should be kept a secret except in certain accepted ghettos of behavior is pretty insane.
But that's true of nudity also. I advocate for the freedom of being naked anywhere anytime because being naked is just being one's self. Concealing that self with reconstituted animals, plants and plastic is taking an action, making a statement, asserting one's position in life, and totally unnatural.
I BELIEVE THAT NUDIST COLONIES SHOULD REGULATE LIKE AARP. IN OTHER WORDS, WAIT ON IT. THE WORTH IS IN THE WAIT. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE NON SEXUAL BASIS OF THE GROUP. I THINK OVER EMPHASIZING YOUTH OR YOUNG WOULD BE SELF DEFEATING AND UNFAIR TO THE YOUTH TO HAVE THEM DENY THEIR SEXUALITY WHILE THEY ARE YOUNG. THE MEMBERSHIP MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING A DECLINE BECAUSE OF THE COMING OUT OF SO MANY GAYS OR SAME SEX INDIVIDUALS AND COUPLES.
Great article. Very informative and thorough. Some of the arguments against accepting an erection seem like the same arguments against nudism.
I would also venture to guess that it would be good to accept all penis states erection so people understand how they work. An erection doesn't mean I'm going to attack anyone anymore than being nude does.
I'm not ashamed of my penis. I'm proud of my penis.
Im fair sure if we took an accurate survey of men and boys, we would see clearly that for most if not all nonnudist raised mails, the bodies first and inviluntary responce to the mind experiencing being fully nude in public, even if no one is nearby, is an almost immediate full erection. This responce will disipate and not often occur after several experiences of getting nude in public...
Mostly a good article, Jordan. I wold have preferred to see some references for the author's undocumented comments about all those so-called non-natural reasons for erections. I got nervous about his opinions when he refers to Augustine's heyday in the early 5th Century as a time when "the seeds of Western Christianity were in their infant stages".
The seeds of Catholic theology were being sown by Bishop Augistine in North Africa then, yes! But the roots of true Jesus Following had been clearly laid down in generally-accepted and taught Gospels and letters 400 years before.
In my experience, I'd argue that the chemicals have to surge in the conscious or
subconscious mid before the blood boils in the groin. I'd suggest male
concerns are really about their lack of self-control around the issue of
The first time I went to a nudist beach I spent several hours covering my penis with a towel because as soon as I removed it I'd get an erection. I hadn't had any sexual thoughts and wasn't attracted to anyone on the beach (there was only 2 or 3 people there most of the time), so it was purely a response to being naked in sight of other people.
Eventually I was able to resist erection for longer periods by distracting myself from my own nudity through visualising scenes from my favourite action movies. Still, it seemed strange to be carrying a towel everywhere I walked in case of erection.
An erection isn't always sexual, therefore it should be tolerated. usually the one that gets uncomfortable arousements is the one to deal with.
I would be grateful for your comments or the comments of your readers.
I think the most obvious thing about this thread is that everyone seems to enjoy discussing erections. This is one of the longest threads I’ve read and I notice that each person is quite firm and even, I dare say, stiff in her or his opinion. I hope talking about it will ease some of the tension surrounding the issue.Every man that commented here should ask himself, “Would he have said the same thing if he were a woman?”
I remember once I was at a naturist camp in mid-winter with no source of heat but fire. Some friends of mine and I were gathering the morning wood when this subject came up. My friend, Eric, who was always the early morning riser and admittedly rather chubby, thought erections were no big deal, but our Asian friend, Wang, didn’t agree, especially since several of the guys had rejected the more private cabins and had decided to pitch a tent in the front yard. That morning we cooked our meat in a cast iron pan and Rodney burned his hands on the pan handle.
One good thing (and I’ll end with this) even though we had gathered so much wood that morning we had trouble getting it up the hill, we proved true the saying, “the early bird gets the worm.”
Chet, you are on target, almost, but j238 has issues. also, it is not the prefix as much as it is the sufix, SEXUAL...these people cant seem to form a nornal human vission of sexuallit, hetero or homo, and cant there for make rational dacisions in their operarions, or reak lfe. these peopl, selfproclamed rules of nudism, have no understanding of the millions of real nudists world wide. They dont even understand basic makketing philosiphy, let alone human relations, they live in their selfcreated false worlds, while million enjiy be nudist and living nudist with out any thought of them or their pseudobusinesses
The organized nudism, business, psudobusiness, establishment is as bad as the organized religions. These few people and vroups act, speek, and pertand that they speak for, rule over, and control nudism, as thiugh it is was they trademaked inventions. More of these,people, and their facilities are jokes, most are selfrightous, nudist gods of their own little pseudobusinesses.
I am a lifelong true nudist, I enjoy being nude, doing activities and social events nude, being seen by anyone and, even better, by everyone on the planet fully nude and exposed. Why, because being nudist means that I beleive: The Fit, Fully Nuxe, Fully Expised, Human Forrm is the True Art Forn, and I strive to keep my body deseeving of that beleif. Treu, real nudists dont give a damm what these bachward zeletts of their own little facilities think or do. If they want to continue with their stupidity, than Nudism and real nudists have no need of them or their under fund, poorly run facilities.
I think the answer is simple, to me. Erections can be involuntary or caused by ones thoughts. So if a male has an erection, and he casually makes it less visible by any number of means such as a towel, lifting his knees if on a pool recliner, getting into the pool, etc, then it should be no concern. If he obviously parades it around then he should be asked to leave. Simple, cut and dried.
Then main thing I would say is we need to not act like erections in and of themself are an indicator of sexual thoughts, nor should a person who has this happen be made to feel like he did something wrong, if he takes appropriate measures to make it less visible.
I've had it happen to me when getting a massage and it was terribly embarrassing because nothing I could think of made it go away right away. It can be involuntary. Mind you I was draped and the therapist couldn't see it, and it came out of nowhere so I Did Not cause it and had no control. We just ignored it and the massage went on as normal and it quickly subsided.
The one issue I have here is the constant comparison to other 'natural' body functions such as periods or having to use the bathroom. Those functions are a sanitary issue and I can control when I go pee. So they are really different. But if an erection happens involuntarily, I would have no control. As I've stated before it never has and probably wont, especially since Im 52, but younger men have that happen more often.
The question should not be about whether someone 'wants' to see it or not, the question is acceptance of the human body in it's entirety. Meaning if a womans nipples get hard we don't ostracize her, or if she's breastfeeding openly in a nudist environment, it's life. I also support womens right to breastfeed in public and read all the time about people who 'don't want to see that', so there are nudists who don't want to see it either. But it's part of life and wonderful. A mans erection can be natural also, but it is often (not always) a sign of sexual arousal so I do agree a man should casually make his erection less visible. Just don't go running for cover like you've done something wrong.
@bodyworks2010 Thanks buddy! I appreciate all your comments. Please feel free to email me at firstname.lastname@example.org - Hope to hear from you!
@EstellaDavis Please take off your CAPS lock. Online that's the equivalent to SCREAMING. Thank you. Among the nudist populations are also Gay and Bi individuals who are welcome to nudist venues since overt sexuality is not there.
@boss1 "Accept all erections so people see how they work"?? Oh please.
Nobody is saying men should be ashamed of their penises. But there is a huge difference between having pride in it and displaying it inappropriately. Since erections can indicate sexual desire and make others feel like they are being looked at for sexual reasons - something they want to get away from at nudist places - it is wrong to walk around with an erection.
@boss1 Overt sexuality has closed a number of nudist venues.
@Konata888 The more a person is nude, at home, beach or nudist venue, the less often any problems will surface.
@Konata888 I'm not a guy, but it seems to me that if the act of being naked in the sight of other people causes you to get an erection there must be some subconscious sexual connotation to social nudity for you, no?
@Konata888 I have exactly the same problem, which is why I will never be joining a closed nudist club, the first time I went to casuarina nudist beach I isolated my self and only go from my towel to the ocean and back again only, and still do.
@elibeiler Something's definitely off with this logic. Unfortunately, I'm not smart enough to think of a great example of why this is off, but I know it's off. What I know is that an erection usually IS sexual and therefore if one is present in a community where open sexual behavior is not wanted, then that erection should be hidden. A flaccid penis is not sexual, but an erect one IS in the same way that a disengaged brain is not bright, but a working one IS.
@bodyworks2010 You like yourself.
@NotanlinesGuyLast month I was at an artist gathering at a private farm. Several people I've never met, male and female, old and young, two of which were young, very beautiful girls. All of were naked, and all of us took turns posing for the others to paint or draw. It was fun, we had good conversation, and good artistic practice. I will admit there were a few times where I had to concentrate on my drawing and relax my groin muscles to make sure an erection didn't happen! However, after an hour or so, it wasn't the nudity that mattered, it was the people and the art. Once you 'forget' that you are naked, you can get on with the regular activities. By the time to clean up for lunch, we didn't want to put clothes back on! (But we did, out of respect for the other artists who did not join us in the naked area.)
@NotanlinesGuy Exactly. And making it less visible is exactly the same as how we deal with other natural body functions that we don't share with the public (nude or not). You can't control that it happens, but you can control what you do about it.
@Heather Avalon @Konata888 It's hard to know what's going on in my subconscious. I certainly felt very nervous and self-conscious as I had not even been seen naked by another person since I was a child.
Society taught me from a young age that clothing was a must in any public area, so I felt somewhat like a deviant as I undressed and my emotions (mainly fear, but also excitement at breaking the pyschological barrier) were running strong. It's rare for me to have that combination of emotions, perhaps my brain subconsciously associated them with the feeling of arousal.
So what you are trying to say, is that every new born, male, baby that has it's nappy changed for the first time, that urinates with a erection is sexual, despite that he has no knowledge and interest in sex or nudity.
Yes, it is only healthy, but since You seem to want to attack me instead of address isues, it seem clear that you dont lime yourself much.
@RobertEbersold @NotanlinesGuy "I had to concentrate on my drawing... to make sure an erection didn't happen!" - so what happens naturally when you're clothed isn't allowed to happen when you're naked. This needing to prove one's a good little rule-follower is bad enough, but the real problem is the fundamental dishonesty of "approved" ghettoized naturist venues where basic human naturalness is fascistically controlled. No one but no one has any right to tell anyone else to "lose that erection or else!"- Such snarky puritan boner police need to be told, Sorry, it's my body and my basic human instinct, it's most likely not inspired by you, and so you have nothing to do with it.
@Heather Avalon @NotanlinesGuy We often can't control the onset of an erection, but we can usually control how far it gets. Think of something unpleasant, or clear the mind completely. The bathroom comparison is valid, because while we can't control the urge to go, we control when and where to go. The comparison that does not work is with women's nipples. As someone pointed out below, they are not sexual organs. And men's nipples can get hard too, which is a non-issue, again because they're not sex organs. I think anyone objecting to breastfeeding is confused about breasts being sex organs.
@j238 I was under 22
@Konata888 The fact that no one had seen you naked before was worthy of a mention by you.
If you were over, let's say, 22 at the time, that is unusual.
@j238 My history of being clothed is not an issue or even unusual, I was just explaining why I felt so afraid about being naked.Also, it's very true that many people avoid nudism because they are ashamed of their erections. I didn't give up because I had a strong determination to make being nude something I could enjoy.
@davepabian @CheriAlexander1 @briananthonykraemer @elibeiler Dave, your profile is not filled out. Are you actually a nudist? What is your age? How long have you been one and how many nudist venues have you visited??? There are no nudist police. It was the club's owner who tapped him on the shoulder while he was napping. Courtesy is important in any society. I do not wish to see things that should be private in public. It can scare off a new nudist, female nudist or child. I've been a nudist for over 45 of my 65 years. I appreciate being in a non-sexual nudist venue rather than a location where any behaviour is tolerated. I will not respond to you again.
@CheriAlexander1 @davepabian @briananthonykraemer @elibeiler Someone tapped him on the shoulder. How nice of you to be pleased that the nudist boner police were in action - and how warm and toasty and self-satisfied the little nudist neighborhood watch guy must have felt in making a seriously aggressive display for those around him to admire how diligently he was monitoring things for their "comfort." This idea of not wanting people to be uncomfortable goes back to my first comment - where to draw the line; you can't because there is none. The disfigured person, the old person, the man, the woman, the post-mastectomy, the homosexual, the straight guy, can all make someone somewhere "uncomfortable," and what constitutes comfortzone acceptability changes all the time. In 1933 Germany finding a Jew sitting next to you (I'm using the generic collective 'you' of course) would make you uncomfortable and you'd be allowed to self-righteously announce it to great social approval. An African-American at a nudist club in 1960 Alabama... get off these grounds and never come back, everyone's uncomfortable with you here! I'm not interested in making sure no one's uncomfortable in my presence, and it's not because I aggressively exhibit offensive behavior. It's because I know there's always someone who experiences ego-pleasure by demonstrating to others his/her precious sensitivity by aggressively demanding their private comfortzone, and the completely subjectively imagined one of others nearby, be respected. Sorry, I do not respect smug, puritan, group-think fascists.
@davepabian @briananthonykraemer @elibeiler additionally, you seem to not care about those around you. I've only witnessed an erection twice at a nudist venue over the 45 of my 65 years of being a nudist. Once the man was flaunting it, and he was escorted off grounds. The 2nd time the fellow was napping, someone tapped him on the shoulder, and he turned over on his stomach. The latter was offering to make those around him more comfortable.
@CheriAlexander1 @briananthonykraemer @elibeiler I have no idea of what world anyone is living in or would want to live in where an erection is "usually perceived as a sign of aggression." This is un-thinking feminist cant, hypocritically pious and totally untrue. Anyone who would claim to think of a man's erection as aggressive is someone who has to be barely conscious of reality and chooses instead to live by specious academic theories that have no relevance to anyone's actual life or experience. The fact is, what someone thinks of my erection or any other part of my body in any situation is irrelevant to me, as I'm not interested in being confronted with the fascist little worlds of smug puritans that so many want to live in (witness a good amount of the comments here). Anyone who sees an erect penis as a sign of aggression is astoundingly stupid and had better switch over to women if they're so ignorant, terrified and resentful of men. I don't know if Cheri herself thinks this of erections, but to even report the "fact" as a serious concern shows at best a laziness in rational examination of the issue.
@MALCOLMSEEKEE You're not a newborn male baby getting his nappy changed for the first time, so don't use this as an argument for why your adult erection isn't sexual. If you've got some good rational explanations, use them. I'm totally open to logical explanations of anything, but "baby nappy" examples aren't explanations for adult erections.
@bodyworks2010 Sorry about the 25 crack. I just looked at your profile.
I get it now. You and your wife and kids are all pure and true nudists. Everyone stays in great shape and never misses an opportunity to get naked!
Your family, friends, and co-workers all know you're nudists and they've never once smirked about it. A few of them have joined your family for a great day at the beach.
When you do patronize a private nude venue, it's only one that adheres to a strict "never discriminate" policy. Gay males, single males always as welcome as everyone else.
Hats off to the true nudist!
Well your ignorance and inflated ego are showing. You may have issues, but they are not part of this discourse, so enjoy youself, not many others
care about you petty attacks.
Just someone who noticed an unusually high number of first-person references.
Presumably, you're under 25.
@NotanlinesGuy @JohnThomas1 @Heather Avalon Last month I was at an artist gathering at a private farm. Several people I've never met, male and female, old and young, two of which were young, very beautiful girls. All of were naked, and all of us took turns posing for the others to paint or draw. It was fun, we had good conversation, and good artistic practice. I will admit there were a few times where I had to concentrate on my drawing and relax my groin muscles to make sure an erection didn't happen! However, after an hour or so, it wasn't the nudity that mattered, it was the people and the art. Once you 'forget' that you are naked, you can get on with the regular activities. By the time to clean up for lunch, we didn't want to put clothes back on! (But we did, out of respect for the other artists who did not join us in the naked area.)
@NotanlinesGuy @JohnThomas1 @Heather Avalon Your experience with control may be different, but that alone does not make the idea of controlling an erection bogus for everyone. But I do agree that the nudist community as a whole decides what is appropriate, not just some individuals. That's why it's important to let people know what the nudist community is talking about, and what it has decided is acceptable or not.
Guess you aren't reading my posts completely. I said the comparison was only for the statement others have made of "I don't want to see an erect penis". It's not about what each of us wants to see, it's about what's appropriate. And no, a penis and a nipple are not the same, one is a sexual organ, the other is not. Read my statement in the context it was made please.
The reason I mentioned nipples or breastfeeding is because of the point that some state 'I don't want to see .... whatever', in this case an erection. And it should not be about what one individual 'Wants to see', it's about what's appropriate. My point was that we all have things we 'Don't want to see' but part of being a nudist is acceptance of the human body.
So it's about what's acceptable in the nudist community, not about what each person 'wants to see'.
And your thought of controlling an erection that starts is bogus. I tried like mad and thought of paying bills, working, etc when I was getting the massage and noticed the erection starting, and it happened anyway. So there is no control although if you can ignore it, it goes away much faster. Now I'm on blood pressure meds that create the opposite problem and without the little blue pill it sometimes doesn't work No Matter How Much I Want it Too. Erections are "Mostly" involuntary. The only control we have, and it's tiny, is if we think sexual thoughts we might get an erection, but we can't make it just go away. I've even had times at home where I had one for an hour and could not make it go away, which was painful and annoying, so, no, you can't will it away.